My Unintentionally Negative Impact on Holocaust Revisionism

(Third and final installment of my fruitless attempt to explain to deniers that documents matter. Part I is here, Part II is here)

So this is what I left behind? I’ve been saying that to myself for three months now, since the publication of my book. The successes I had during my revisionist years (1989 – 1995) appear more as defeats when examined in the light of the sorry state of Holocaust revisionism today.

I was “Mr. Physical Evidence.” Revisionists before me had explored that avenue, but I made it into an art form. In 1995, the mainstream French magazine L’Express admitted that even though denier Robert Faurisson (to be referred to here, from now on, by his preferred moniker, The Amazing Faurisson™) had (along with other revisionists) expressed doubts about the authenticity of the Auschwitz (Main Camp) gas chamber, he had never been able to get them to admit the fraud. The magazine credits my video for exposing the “revelations.”

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Essential 2 - A necessary establishing shot of my Auschwitz trips

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As published in my book, my friend Dr. Carlos Huerta (then of Touro College, later chaplain of West Point) credited my work for sparking a series of training sessions at Yad Vashem to stop the Auschwitz tour guides from giving out false information.

After visiting with Thomas Kranz of the Majdanek State Museum in 1994, I got him to admit that the infamous “gas chamber with a window in it” was never a gas chamber. The description of the room was officially changed.

My “46 Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers” dealt solely with physical evidence issues. As recounted in my book, I manipulated my appearance on the Donahue Show (during which I showed damning footage of physical evidence problems at Auschwitz, Majdanek, and Mauthausen) in order to get those questions seen by the leading figures in Holocaust history, and I recorded Michael Shermer admitting that the questions left the “experts” stymied.

Yep, I was “Mr. Physical Evidence.”

And now “Mr. Physical Evidence” has a message for his former comrades: some of you have completely missed the point of what I was doing. My position was that physical evidence must be rigorously examined when and where it exists. But its absence is not a reason to deny that a particular event happened, or that a particular structure or location existed.

Relying on documentary evidence is not a de facto admission that you have a weak case. Indeed, most history, most sound history, has been assembled by studying documents. Documents can express things that a wall or a door can’t, like intent, responsibility, and a bigger picture beyond that one wall or door.

I don’t want to be misunderstood here – I have had the good fortune to meet some wonderful and exceptional revisionists since my outing, people (most of whom are quite young) who value truth and adhere to the principle that you go where the evidence takes you, and everyone, regardless of preconceived biases, might end up a little happy, or a little disappointed, with the end results.

But too many of today’s so-called revisionists have taken my focus on physical evidence and distorted it to shut out all consideration of the other equally important ways in which historians piece together the record of a particular event.

Regarding the case I make that Treblinka, Belzec, Sobibor, and Chelmno were mass-murder camps, consider these two almost identical responses I received from two different boneheads – balls-out insane Aussie Freddy Toben, and a troll who frequently comments on my site:

Toben: “You have embraced the ‘limited gassings’ premise without offering any physical proof – but just some written documentation.”

Troll: “At the end of the day there has to be undeniable physical evidence for any such claim in my very sincere opinion.”

“Just some written documentation?” Written documentation is the backbone of history as a field. Anyone who doesn’t get that has no understanding of the discipline.

When we speak of sixty million (or more) killed under Mao, do any of you really think that historians arrived at that figure because sixty million Chinese bodies were dug up, autopsied, and positively identified?

Are any of you that stupid?

When we speak of twenty million or more murdered under Stalin, are you genuinely under the impression that this figure was arrived at by “undeniable physical evidence?”

Please tell me you’re not that dense.

The study of deaths during the Soviet years, and during Mao’s rule, involve complex demographic studies and lots of extrapolation. The margin of error alone in the figures regarding Communist Chinese deaths is a larger figure than the entire number of Jews believed to be killed under Hitler. Yet that doesn’t mean we dismiss the notion of mass deaths from murder and starvation under Mao. It means we shouldn’t go around saying “show me sixty million dead, autopsied, positively ID’d bodies, or I ain’t buying this nonsense.”

Regarding the fate of the Jews “evacuated” during the Reinhardt period, we have a solid, iron-clad chain of unassailable documents from the very people who were “in the know.”

We have Goebbels’ March 27, 1942, diary entry:

“Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated (abgeschoben) eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated (liquidiert) whereas only about 40 percent can be used for forced labor. The former Gauleiter of Vienna [Globocnik], who is to carry this measure through, is doing it with considerable circumspection and according to a method that does not attract too much attention. A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them.”

We have the Korherr Report from early 1943, in which the number of “departed” evacuees “dragged through” or “processed through” the camps in the General Government and the Warthegau equals 62% of the number of General Government Jews, matching almost exactly the figure that Goebbels gave for how many would be liquidated.

Korherr clearly states that the “evacuated” Jews are not in camps or ghettoes. He quite clearly states they are gone, departed, no longer in Europe, and, what’s more, he states that because of the evacuations, coupled with other causes of population decrease (pre-1941 emigration, suicide, and excess deaths over births), the Jewish population in all of Europe (West, Central, and South) has about four million fewer Jews than when the Nazis ascended to power.

We have a wealth of documents between Kube, Lohse, Strauch, and Heydrich very clearly illustrating that the Jews who were sent to White Russia were being systematically killed. At the same time Jews were disappearing down the black hole of the Reinhardt camps, the Jews sent to Belarus (primarily Reich Jews and native Russian Jews) were being killed as well.

In June 1943, Himmler ordered the Ostland ghettoes closed, and all non-essential (non-working) Jews “evacuated to the East,” even though there was no German East beyond the Ostland.

At Sonthofen, Himmler admitted to the killing of Jews, including children, and patted himself on the back for having “resolved” the Jewish question in the General Government. He clearly stated that the General Government ghettoes and their inhabitants were no longer “in existence.” In three separate speeches at Sonthofen, Himmler stated that the Front (as it was in May 1944) would be in great peril if those massive numbers of Jews were still around.

And then there’s the Stroop Report, which I’ll mention because Mattogno and Graf consider it authentic (which it is), and they use it in “Treblinka: Extermination Camp or Transit Camp?” M&G have a hard time explaining away this entry:

“With the Jews who have been bagged today, in my opinion a very large part of the bandits and lowest elements of the ghetto have been captured. Due to the onset of darkness, their immediate liquidation was no longer carried out. I will try to get a train to T II for tomorrow, otherwise the liquidation will be carried out tomorrow.”

So how do M&G handle that?

“But more important is another problem: if these Jews were destroyed in ‘T II,’ then does this mean that Treblinka was a camp established for the purpose of killing people? In our view, the ‘liquidation’ there of a few thousand Jews, whom the SS classified as ‘bandits and lowest elements of the ghetto’ proves neither that they were gassed, nor that Treblinka was operated as an ‘extermination camp.’ If one keeps in mind that the camp was only 80 km from Warsaw, then it would not be surprising if the SS had shot a few thousand people there whom they were unable or unwilling to execute in the city.”

Unable to dismiss the authenticity of the passage, M&G admit that maybe just a little itty bitty bit of liquidations went on at Treblinka. Ignoring all of the evidence that Treblinka was already a one-way destination for Warsaw Jews, M&G decide it’s much more effective to argue that Stroop totally randomly, one-time-only, and out-of-the-blue chose that “simple transit camp” for his liquidations. What a coincidence!

Goebbels, Himmler, Korherr, Hoefle, Heydrich, Kube, Lohse, Strauch, Stroop. All people “in the know.” And all telling the same story, both privately and in communication with their superiors or subordinates. The General Government “evacuees” were gone. They were not living in the Ostland, they were not at the Front, they were no longer in the General Government, they were no longer in Western, Central, or Eastern Europe. To counter this documentary chain, deniers must offer up something of substance.

But they can’t. They simply can’t. They can’t account for Korherr’s 2.4 million “departed” evacuees. When they try, as when Mattogno and Graf point to one transport of Polish Jews to Kube’s domain (for labor, at the request of the Luftwaffe), they lose, as Kube’s own communication – the one that Mattogno and Graf themselves rely on – very clearly shows that this was an irregular event, and an unwanted one, which Kube fought against vigorously.

And the fact that Treblinka is listed as a final destination for over 700,000 Jews in the Hoefle telegram is, according to the deniers, completely coincidental to the fact that it’s where Mattogno and Graf admit Stroop sent Jews for liquidation. It was just a fluke that the place with the reputation for liquidating Jews was where Stroop sent Jews for liquidation. Hell, it coulda been anywhere…

In the end, the deniers have nothing with which to counter the chain of documentary evidence. They simply cannot account for the 2.4 million Reinhardt and Ostland “evacuees.” Sure, there were several hundred, probably several thousand, Jews who survived the Reinhardt camps because of labor needs, but the deniers can’t account for the 60% “not useful for labor” Polish Jews that Goebbels said would have to be liquidated. Where were the relocation homelands for these Jews? They did not exist, and the deniers flee from the responsibility of providing an alternate hypothesis like cockroaches seeking cover under a dark, filthy floorboard. Eventually, when confronted with the chain of documentary evidence for mass-murders during the Reinhardt period, the deniers scurry to the safety of the “physical impossibility” defense.

That defense goes something like this: “Okay, you have all those precious, precious documents. But all the documents in the world can’t overcome physical reality, man! If you have thirty documents from Himmler, Goebbels, and Heydrich stating that they summoned the demon Astaroth and he gave them pet unicorns, your beloved ‘documents’ can’t change the fact that what they claim defies the laws of reality.”

The “impossibility” argument regarding the Reinhardt camps covers three main points:

1) “You can’t mass-poison people with gas, especially carbon monoxide. It can’t be done.”

2) “In Treblinka’s final year, it’s impossible to have exhumed and burned hundreds of thousands of bodies. Can’t be DONE, man.”

3) “Treblinka couldn’t have held such large mass graves. It was way too small.”

I’ll tackle those cow-pies of stupidity one at a time, and then I’m through with this idiotic answering of denier clowns.

1) OF COURSE you can gas people en masse with carbon monoxide. Along with the roughly 5,200 accidental (i.e., non-homicidal) deaths in the U.S. from carbon monoxide poisoning between 2000 and 2010 (source: CDC), and tons of routine cases in which multiple people succumb at once in rooms that are not hermetically sealed – two Mormon missionaries on August 24 in Taipei, three family members in Ontario on March 17, three people dead in Jefferson County, MO, on August 29, a little girl killed in Syracuse, her brother critically injured, on September 3, three people killed in Boone, PA, in January and June, two dozen people seriously injured in Scranton on August 26, etc. etc. – one need only look at the horrific Turkey mine disaster in May of this year in which nearly 300 miners were killed by carbon monoxide in the worst mining disaster in Turkey’s history.

And that was accidental.

Yes, you can kill people en masse with carbon monoxide. It happens even when no intent to kill is present.

Moving on…

2) and 3) “Treblinka couldn’t hold that many bodies, and even if it DID, you couldn’t exhume ‘em and dispose of ‘em in just a year.” Horseshit. One need only look at the number of bodies crammed into the famed “Cemetery of the Holy Innocents” (Cimetiere des Saints-Innocents) in Paris. To make a long story short, over hundreds of years, the local church had been making a tidy profit by dumping millions of bodies in a very, very small plot. However, rather than decomposing, the tightly-packed bodies remained largely intact (this is something the Al Gore “ban plastic bags ‘cuz they don’t decompose” crowd never mentions; oxygen is needed for decomposition. And many modern landfills – by design – and the Innocents cemetery – by stupidity – packed the earth too tightly to allow decomposition).

The cemetery was smack in the middle of Paris, and eventually bodies began exploding into people’s basements. In the 1780s, the order was given to exhume and transfer every single body to the catacombs. The generally-accepted number of bodies exhumed from the Cemetery of the Innocents is two million. It took between twelve and fifteen months, using 1780s “technology:” hand-held shovels, horses and carriages, and candlelight, as the work was only done at night (so as to not disturb local commerce and morale).

Additionally, due to the inability to decompose, a large number of the bodies had transformed into what became known as “fat mummies.” Usually, the fat was burned off before transport to the catacombs, but according to an 1825 issue of Scientific American, sometimes the fat was extracted and sold to be used for soap and candles.

So, using 1780s equipment, working only at night by candlelight, and with the added burden of removing the fat before transport, the French managed to exhume, de-flesh, and re-inter two million bodies in the space of between twelve and fifteen months. But the Nazis, working 24-hours a day with 20th Century technology and a force of slave laborers couldn’t exhume over 700,000 bodies within a year?

Physical impossibility my ass. It’s totally possible.

And how big was this plot of land into which 2,000,000 people were stuffed at the Cimetiere? Wow, it must have taken up forty city blocks! How many football fields would that be, “Elevator Man” Eric Hunt? I mean, you make the point that for 900,000 bodies to have been buried at Treblinka, the size of the area would have to amount to 10 L.A. Coliseums. So, by logical extension, the Cemetery of the Innocents must have been large enough to accommodate at least 20 L.A. Coliseums.

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In light of Hunt’s phantasmagorical illustration above, that damn cemetery in Paris must have been MASSIVE. Like, fifty square blocks.

Oh wait, shit…someone tell Hunt to take his meds; he isn’t gonna like this…

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The cemetery is that dirt patch in the middle of the red circle. Now, to be fair, some of the bodies were stored in the charnel houses that circle the dirt field. But, according to contemporaneous works, the majority were in the ground. And frankly, even if half were in the charnel houses, that still leaves more in the ground than what’s claimed at Treblinka…not to mention that the bodies in the charnel houses are still occupying space on that tiny piece of land (in other words, there are still two million bodies give or take stuffed into or on top of that tiny parcel). It was enough to make Mike Bieling, of the Old Cemeteries Society of Victoria, remark of the following drawing (on the website of the Association for Gravestone Studies, June 2007), “The illustration below gives you some idea of how small an area was used to dispose of the remains of close to 2 million people in the Cimetiere des Saints-Innocents.”

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Never confuse difficult with impossible. The Nazis had a massive slave labor force, total secrecy, no press interference, no legal setbacks or injunctions, no work safety codes, no environmental impact reports, no “save the trees” protestors, no corrupt union bosses stalling work with strikes for better wages. Exhuming and burning hundreds of thousands of corpses? Difficult? Yes. Impossible? Of course not.

The “impossibility” argument is the last filthy hiding place of denier cockroaches.

The competent revisionists, David Irving, Mark Weber, and I, recognize two distinct killing periods during the Holocaust: The Einsatzgruppen murders after the invasion of Russia (’41), and the murders (both in the General Government and the Ostland) during the Reinhardt period (’42 – ’43). The three of us have not “conspired” to come to this conclusion. I have neither seen nor been in contact with David Irving since 1995. The acceptance of the reality of these two killing periods happens organically when one chooses to look at the evidence in an objective manner.

And who, among the tattered remnants of the “revisionist” community, is on the other side of this?

Bradley Smith, whose oft-repeated mantra is, “I’m not really interested in the history of the period.”

Aussie Fred Toben, who, like a spurned suitor, admitted in an August 26th email to me (copied to about two dozen revisionists) that he still bears a grudge that I never met with him in the 1990s: “I never understood why you didn’t wish to meet with me when I came through (North America) in 1997 and 1999.” Get over it, Dame Edna. I don’t meet with loons.

Eric Hunt, a self-described “delusional, mentally ill psychotic.”

And The Amazing Faurisson™. This is a man, more accurately a fraud, who wrote, in the Summer 1980 Journal of Historical Review, “Hitler never gave an order nor permission that anyone should be killed because of his race or religion,” while admitting five years later, on the stand at the Zundel trial, that he had never even bothered to read either standard or revisionist works about the Einsatzgruppen (I’m publishing the transcript at length so that it will be Google-searchable, attached to Faurisson’s name, from now on):

CONTINUED CROSS-EXAMINATION BY MR. GRIFFITHS:

Q: Mr. Faurisson, will you give us your opinion as to how many Jews died as a result of the action of the Einsatzgruppen, the special action groups?

A: I have no answer about that. I said the figures that I was supposing right for the concentration camps and specially Auschwitz. I didn’t say anything about the Einsatzgruppen or about any slaughters or about any pogrom or about any Jews who died in prison.

Q: Is that an area that you’ve researched?

A: I’ve been interested, yes, in this, but I specialized myself in what I consider as the cornerstone of the Holocaust belief.

Q: Dr. Hilberg testified here that 1.4 million Jews were shot by groups such as the Einsatzgruppen, and that’s the whole area that you, in your study of the Holocaust, haven’t even considered; is that right?

A: No, I didn’t say that. I considered that, but I didn’t make a specialty of that. I know that —

Q: Have you read the documents on that?

A: Yes. Sure.

Q: All right. Have you read the Stahlecker or Jager reports?

A: Yes.

Q: Can you tell us what the Stahlecker report says?

A: Yes. That is about the Einsatzgruppen in Russia, but that is not my competence report.

Q: You have read the Stahlecker report?

A: Yes.

Q: What does it say?

A: It says so many Jews executed.

Q: How many Jews?

A: I don’t remember.

Q: A lot, wasn’t there?

A: It is a lot, yes.

Q: Yes. You don’t consider that.

A: Oh, I didn’t say that I do not consider. I say that I have not studied the question. I told you that I had been interested, this question, and that I found that Sir Reginald Paget had made some very simple remarks which seemed to me important. He has a practical way of studying the question. That is my practical way. As far as the gas chambers I know that books —

Q: We are not talking about the gas chambers. We are talking about the Einsatzgruppen.

A: No, that is not my specialty. I don’t want to go into that.

Q: This book of Paget’s that you read, when was that written?

A: ’51 or ’52 or ’53, beginning of the fifties, yes.

Q: Are you familiar with the daily reports filed by Einsatzgruppen?

A: I’ve seen that also, yes.

Q: Indicating the number of dead killed each day?

A: I’ve seen that also. I don’t know how much those documents are genuine or not. People have studied that. They do not think that it is genuine, others think that they are genuine.

Q: Who doesn’t think they are genuine?

A: Arthur Butz and Mark Weber. There are doubts about those reports. I cannot pronounce about them.

Q: Who is Mark Weber?

A: Mark Weber is a historian who is going to publish a book, and he will treat in this book the question of the Einsatzgruppen specially.

Q: All right. And is he a member of the Institute of Historical Review?

A: He works with, but I don’t think he is a member. He is in relation with another specialist of this question with Mr. Timothy Milligan of the National Archives, working under Mr. Robert Wolfe. I think that he has also something about that. I am waiting.

Q: Can you tell us how many copies of the daily report were made out and how many survived?

A: I don’t know.

Q: You haven ever seen anything on that?

A: I’ve seen. I don’t know. I don’t remember. I took this problem apart, like the question of, I could say, many other questions. The state of the Jews in France, for example. I am French. I should be able to answer about the situation of the Jews in France during occupation. It is an enormous work. I didn’t go into it, not really.

Q: Why? I ask you these questions, Dr. Faurisson, because you have been qualified on the Holocaust as a whole, same as Dr. Hilberg. So I want to ask you about that as a whole.

A: But I say that if you consider the Einsatzgruppen as being a part of this question, that’s your opinion.

Q: Well, that’s —

A: Myself, I am waiting for real studies about the question.

Q: You are waiting for ….

A: Real studies about that.

Q: Real studies.

A: I mean — yes. I mean something which is based on documents.

Q: Yes. Have you read the work of Helmut Krausnick and Hans Wilhelm?

A: No. I didn’t read this book.

Q: So you don’t know whether that is based on documents or not?

A: No.

Q: All right. That is a book – you are better at German than I am. Would you read that?

A: The troops of Weltanschauungskrieges. When I shall have the two sides I will be interested.

Q: And that is published in 1981?

A: Yes.

Q: You will be interested when you have the two sides, but you haven’t read this side yet.

A: No, I don’t say that even the other side I have not read, really. Even the side of Butz and Weber.

So, on one side, we have David Irving, Mark Weber, and your humble author. On the other side, we have one man totally uninterested in history, another who forms his opinions based on who accepts or turns down his dinner invitations, another who is a self-described delusional psychotic, and finally a man capable of making the most sweeping statement possible while never bothering to read up on one of the most vital episodes of the period.

Not everything in life has clearly defined, easily identifiable sides. This does. Revisionist or denier. Pick a side.

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Comments
71 Responses to “My Unintentionally Negative Impact on Holocaust Revisionism”
  1. HUgh Beaumont says:

    I’ve always felt that the number of Jewish deaths has been exaggerated, and the number of non_Jewish deaths has been completely ignored. I’m sorry for all who died in those camps – but for the Israelis to use that great misfortune as a “credit” to offset with future debits, by taking it out on anyone who stands in their way is a disgrace.

  2. David, you seem to be accusing others, with whom you disagree, in a nasty and somewhat primitive tone. Such poor behaviour does not help to clarify the problems we are confronting in this field of enquiry, and I wonder why you are doing this.
    Have you begun to study the Talmud and are you anxious to practise its death dialectic method of win-lose, instead of seeking to clarify the issues in a civilised way?
    When you write:
    >>Aussie Fred Toben, who, like a spurned suitor, admitted in an August 26th email to me (copied to about two dozen revisionists) that he still bears a grudge that I never met with him in the 1990s: “I never understood why you didn’t wish to meet with me when I came through (North America) in 1997 and 1999.” Get over it, Dame Edna. I don’t meet with loons.<>Not everything in life has clearly defined, easily identifiable sides. This does. Revisionist or denier. Pick a side.<<

    Best wishes.
    Fredrick Toben

  3. continuing –
    – you assume it is a grudge, something that is surely autobiographical on your part.
    Is it not a normal reaction to wonder why something happened? – and in our case the initial meeting was on with you and Bradley Smith but then it was cancelled without explanation.
    The asking of questions is still not prohibited but there are moves afoot to ban this elementary form of enquiry because it may hurt someone’s feelings.
    Name-calling is, as you certainly know quite well, not a part of civilised discourse, and it bothers me to see you behaving like a naughty school boy who needs to be pulled in line for using crude language. I don’t know whether you can blame your alcoholism for your behaviour because such character traits are usually deep-rooted, if not genetically determined.

    • Richard says:

      He is just behaving like an ordinary Jew, calling people “deniers” etc. It would be best to just ignore him, because he is clearly embarrassed after being outed as a mere Jewish opportunist and not the honest person people thought he was.

  4. continuing –
    So, it is only natural that when you re-surfaced with your book and lashed out so crudely at your former colleagues, I would recall that some years ago we almost met!
    I now understand why we didn’t meet – I am still waiting for you to show proof of your physical beating that Irv Rubin allegedly inflicted upon you. You realized that I would be able to see through your deception pretty quickly, just as I can see through your deception about claiming the nonsense of “limited gassings” without any proof except some dubious documents.
    I think you know by now that if you observe individuals over a long period, over decades, then their character reveals itself so clearly – as has been in your case. Everything you say and write is dubious, questionable, because your moral and intellectual integrity is shot to pieces. It does not help either to pull out the Zionist card, and to think because you ride on the Jewish racist card that this wins an argument. In any case your behaviour towards women, as you record in your book, is terribly degrading. Have you no shame?

  5. The best evidence is forensic evidence, alleged murder weapon at Treblinka was diesel exhaust. Diesel exhaust is safe to use in mines, it has insignificant amounts of carbon monoxide.

  6. continuing –
    Finally, notice how in the above quote you project your own infantile imaginings into the narrative so as to skew the matter, to distort the event in order to further your own agenda, whatever that may be.
    Revisionists will continue to ask questions on matters Holocaust, including the existence or otherwise of homicidal gas chambers, something the Holocaust believers have to date not permitted through legal constraints.
    When in 1997 I visited Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, Los Angeles, he agreed we need to ask questions. Then he asked me: Do you question the gassings? I replied: Of course I do! And that was the end of the conversation and our meeting, which he summarily broke off – and your final sentence adopts such a mindset.

  7. end:
    So, David, in your own words – you done good when you end your missive with:
    >>Not everything in life has clearly defined, easily identifiable sides. This does. Revisionist or denier. Pick a side.<<

    Best wishes.
    Fredrick Toben

  8. Ironically, Revisionists place a religious-like faith in documents, forgetting that documents are written by people! How many documents are being shuffled around the ADL, financial institutions and government departments that claim Toben, Cole and many others are nutters, crooks, drug addicts and so on. I’ve written about this.

    The bottom line is that the Holocaust story has been greatly exaggerated. Organised Jewry, the Court Historians and left wing imbeciles generally refuse to even debate the issue claiming there is no debate, and the first and third of these groups have lied and continue to lie shamelessly about it. The latter have done little or no research; the former are now terrified not simply that we may be believed but that we may be right. You’d think that would be good news, but not for these master liars.

    • Zimriel says:

      It’s not that the Holocaust story has been exaggerated.

      It’s that it’s become a “story”, with heroes and villains. It’s that it’s not been treated as a *history*. Maybe six million is too high – but also, maybe it’s too *low*. Either way no-one will ever figure it out as long as revisionists are treated as cranks and (in Europe) criminals.

      I’d personally track this event with the “Bloodlands” at large but then, I’ve been saying that for months now.

      Too many people in the Holocaust-revisionist beat are in it for the wrong reasons. That makes me a sad panda.

  9. Andrew E Mathis says:

    Jesus, Dr. Töben. People might think you were obsessed.

  10. Ken Meyercord says:

    Despite the hurt of not being included in your pantheon of “denier cockroaches” (totally justified; who the hell am I?), all is forgiven if you will use your manipulative genius to trick the holo-hucksters into doing some drilling at Treblinka. That simple procedure should solve the mystery to everyone’s satisfaction: no pits (i.e., no disturbed subsoil), no death camp; pits, then death camp. also, I would be interested in your opinion of the question I raised in a previous comment to Part 2 about the reliability of the numbers in the Korherr Report.

  11. John McGrane says:

    After doing some quick calculations I would have to agree that there was space at Treblinka to bury enough bodies for it to have been an extermination camp. The individual who made “One Third of the Holocaust” based his determination as to how many mass graves would have been required to bury 700,000 people on his conclusion that only three people can be fit into a cubic meter. His calculations involved a seven inch layer of sand being placed on top of each body and assumptions with regard to the dimensions of the average body. But it seems to me plausible that bodies could have been piled to around waste high before a layer of sand was applied thus considerably reducing the overall amount of sand employed. And it’s also plausible that he is off on his dimensions of the average body.

    He also assumed that the volume of the pits can be calculated by simply multiplying the dimensions. But I think this would not be the case considering pits of that size would have been dug by an excavator which would have required a ramp, as would the sonderkommando who worked in the pits.

    Here’s what I did. I looked up the record for the number of college students that could be crammed into a phone booth; it’s 22 “smallish” students employing a fairly sophisticated “cross-hatch” method. Then I looked up the volume of a phone booth which is 63 cubic ft. or 1.8 cubic meters. Doing the math you come up with about 12.3 bodies per cubic meter. When you calculate in the layers of sand, which I think plausibly could have been only one fifth the amount given by Denier Bud, it reduces the space available for the bodies by 9% as opposed to Denier Bud’s almost 45%. Reducing 12.3 by 9% you get 11.2 bodies per cubic meter.

    I then reduced the volume of the pits given by Denier Bud by 16% to take into account the need for a ramp. Using a 25% grade for the ramp, which is pretty steep (when you get to 30% it gets scary), and a width of 10 meters, I concluded that such a ramp would have taken up 16% of the volume of a pit. The ramp would have been 80% of the length of the pit and 40% the width divided by 2. Trust me this comes to 16 percent. So if we take Denier Bud’s volume of 11,250 cubic meters and multiply by .84 we get a total volume of 9,450 cubic meters per pit. If we multiply that by 11.2 bodies per cubic meter, we get 105,840 bodies per pit. Multiplying this times three full sized pits we get 317,520. There were also 2 smaller pits which given their size could not have been more than half as deep as the full-sized pits. So I doubt they together would amount to more than 1/4 the volume of a full-sized pit and thus been capable of only containing 1/4 as many bodies: (105,840 divided by 4) or 26,460. So the total for all the pits I conclude is in the neighborhood of 343,980 (317,520 + 26,460). That’s less than half the number claimed, but is still enough to make an argument for Treblinka being an extermination camp.

    This is not to say it was, however. “One Third of the Holocaust” raises numerous other questions in my mind as to the truth of the official story.

  12. Emmanuel Goldstein says:

    David.

    Toben as a point.You have a childish tendency at attacking individuals who disagree with you,or question particular aspects of your work.I have no intention on hijacking this thread & dig into specifics,but in your career,you also made a bunch of ridiculous statements.Everyone does it,because as humans,we are far from being perfect.We all make mistakes.

    I also believe that your moral & ethical attack strategy,is a double-edged sword.
    After you initially “retired” from the field,you went to work for “the other side”,but no one is holding you accountable for it.You did what you had to do in order to survive.

    Like it or not but,you alone don’t hold the truth,none of the revisionists have it.In historical research and scientific inquiry,there is no such thing as truth without a collective approach.

    You are smart & made amazing contributions to the field of revisionism,but you need to control your ego and stop acting like a capricious prepubescent.

  13. Ken Meyercord says:

    “In June 1943, Himmler ordered the Ostland ghettoes closed, and all non-essential (non-working) Jews “evacuated to the East,” even though there was no German East beyond the Ostland.”
    I’ve often been amazed how often competent, knowledgeable people – historians, journalists, travelers – get east and west mixed up (e.g., “20 miles west of Tangiers is the Spanish enclave of Ceuta…”; north and south don’t seem to be as much of a problem, I guess because of the weather). Could it be that Herr Himmler meant “West” instead of “East” (Everybody makes mistakes, even Germans!). If so, then the sentence becomes an argument in favor of the Operation Reinhardt Transit Camps contingent (why would Himmler be talking about non-existent Jews anyway, “East” or West”?). If you accept that such an error is even remotely possible, it illustrates the danger of basing historiography solely on documents, where just one incorrectly written or transcribed word can make all the difference.

  14. Per says:

    Hi David.

    You say there is documentary evidence of Treblinka. I agree with you, but is not the documentary and other evidence of mass murder took place at Auschwitz as well? What’s the difference?

    I want to show you this link, with the documentary evidence and more about Auschwitz:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.se/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html

    What do you think about that link.

    And why would they have lied about Auschwitz being at death camp by gassing, if they have Treblinka a real death camp? Why did they when they have the truth about Treblinka, must make fake death camps and fake gas chambers at Auschwitz?

    “The competent revisionists, David Irving, Mark Weber, and I, recognize two distinct killing periods during the Holocaust: The Einsatzgruppen murders after the invasion of Russia (’41), and the murders (both in the General Government and the Ostland) during the Reinhardt period (’42 – ’43). ”

    David Irving, think as far as I know, that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered in Treblinka, but they were shot and buried in pits, se this short clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qocBt6lJApo

    He thinks Auschwitz was fake buildings.

    What do you David think, killed Jews at Treblinka by shootings or gassings?

    And would you please debate Eric Hunter on Ry Dawsons radio show?

    Thank you.

    Best regards

    /Per

  15. Andrew says:

    Great post, thanks David. Some very good points. Yet the overall case, of both sides, is still not convincing.

    Documents are totally fine and acceptable, but in this case, we simply don’t have any cogent documents. Not Goebbels, not Himmler, not Hoefle, not Korherr, not Kube. Yes Jews were killed in the East, tens of thousands and perhaps hundreds of thousands, both for “legitimate” reasons (partisan warfare) and not, but that is not the question here. The question here is: What exactly happened in T II, S, B and C? And the answer is: We still don’t know. A crime has to be proved, and we simply don’t have proofs, as of yet. In particular, there hasn’t been any succesful excavation or ground analysis so far. And we don’t have any documents, neither German nor Russian, that describe what exactly happened in these camps. In this case, the presumption of innocence still applies, even for “evil Nazis”.

    Many thanks also for the transcript of Faurisson’s responses at the Zundel trial. To be honest, I consider this to be a very professional response by Faurisson: Mr. Griffiths tried hard to make Prof. Faurisson look incompetent (as compared to ‘omniscient’ Raul Hillberg, really?), but Faurisson very clearly and honestly stated where his expertise lies and where it doesn’t, what he has only read, what he has studied in depth, and what he has not read. Perfect.

    One question may have an answer to: Korherr in his report talks about “evacuated Jews” also in Auschwitz and Majdanek. What did he mean with this? Were these Jews gassed/killed in Auschwitz/Majdanek, or transferred to the Reinhardt Camps to be killed there, or were they literally to be evacuated from Europe?

  16. Andrew says:

    Good comments also by Ken Meyercord and Per. Indeed we have some very strong documents on Auschwitz, including diaries, they talk about deaths, about “special treatments” and the like, but most likely, they just don’t talk about homocidal gassings…

  17. Andrew says:

    On an adjacent topic, I was shocked recently to learn that there is indeed no incriminating material concerning Dr. Mengele (besides oral accounts, of course), and that none of his many personal documents and writings (from his time in Brazil) have been published so far (“Fiat Lux” etc.). All this massive Hollywood display is really based on nothing, from a scientific point of view.

    Also according to David Irving (in “Hitler”) there should be a diary of Himmler which hasn’t been published, either…?! Plus, the notorious “Hess file” should have been published in 2017 (he died, apparently mysteriously, in 1987 after 40 years in solitary confinement in Berlin-Spandau prison), but the British recently classified it for another 20 years until 2037. Why is this? Even the private Eichmann files in the German archives (thousands of pages and recordings) haven’t been analysed professionally so far. It really amazes me….

  18. Andrew says:

    One thing I’m currently looking into is that apparently some doctors from the secretive Euthanasia program (nowadays referred to as “T4”, used mainly for incurable inmates of mental homes etc.) were later transferred to Reinhardt camps (e.g. Christian Wirth, first commandant of Belzec, later inspector of all Reinhardt camps; killed by Yugoslav partisans). The Euthanasia program of course worked with carbon monoxide (in fact to kill people as softly as possible), thus it is argued these doctors were sent to the Reinhardt camps to continue the gassings.

    Then again, there was also an Euthansia program in camps like Auschwitz, called “Aktion 14f13”. Interestingly, inmates selected for Aktion 14f13 were not killed on site, but were sent back to Germany to the official Euthanasia sites. Amazing, isn’t it.

  19. David says:

    It’s obvious Cole’s republican / right wing / Zionist agenda has caused him to retract from his prior revisionist views to a more “revisionist light” platform. Also the way he attacks others with his writing is it any wonder he gats beat up a lot?

  20. BRoI says:

    Mr. Cole

    The implication you make in the following paragraph is ludicrous:

    “After visiting with Thomas Kranz of the Majdanek State Museum in 1994, I got him to admit that the infamous “gas chamber with a window in it” was never a gas chamber. The description of the room was officially changed.”

    It took until 2008 for the Majdanek museum to drop its homicidal claims about Chamber 4, and it seems highly implausible that it was your meeting with Tomasz Kranz 14 years earlier that was the catalyst for museum’s dramatic about-face on its then-63 year-old claim that the room had been a homicidal gas chamber/experimental homicidal gas chamber, especially considering that Kranz couldn’t bring himself to rule out the room was used homicidally in his 2003 article “Eksterminacja Żydow na Majdanku i rola obozu w realizacji ‘Akcji Reinhardt'” (p.26).

    You state the obvious in the preamble to your recent article, “documents matter”, but the fact is you’ve never cited any documents in your published writings on Majdanek; which are, several paragraphs in your “46 Questions,” and a few lines in your recent memoirs. Describing your work on Majdanek as ‘meagre,’ is quite the understatement. I understand you did make a film about Majdanek, a few clips of which were shown on the The Phil Donahue Show, but this film has never been publicly released.

    On the other hand, evidence strongly suggests that Carlo Mattogno and Juergen Graf’s 1998 study on the camp (hereafter M&G Majdanek) did play an important role in forcing the homicidal claims about Chamber 4 to be abandoned.

    1. Tomasz Kranz cites M&G Majdanek in his 2005 paper which was translated into German in 2007: Zur Erfassung der Häftlingssterblichkeit im Konzentrationslager Lublin, Państwowe Muzeum na Majdanku, Lublin, 2007, p. 54. Kranz’s citation of M&G Majdanek appears in an abridged English version of the article published in Yad Vashem Studies 35:1, 2007, p.102.

    2. Another important study on Majdanek from the orthodox prospective is Barbara Schwindt’s 2005 book Das Konzentrations- und Vernichtungslager Majdanek. Funktionswandel im Kontext der “Endlösung”, Könighausen & Neumann, Würzburg, in which she abandoned the homicidal claims regarding Chamber 4. Mattogno shows in the 2012 revised English edition of M&G Majdanek (p. 247) that Schwindt heavily plagiarised their study: “[… S]he clearly appropriates the Polish sources we cited in our present study, […] She is clearly informed by it even regarding the reconstruction of the camp’s disinfestation facility. Even her eight references to the Polish-Soviet Expert Report of 4 to 23 August 1944 are taken from our study,”

  21. Andrew says:

    Dear David,

    what is your opinion on the exchange of letters between Himmler and concentration camp inspector Richard Glücks in July 1943? In these letters, Himmler wanted to transform the “transit camp Sobibor” (Durchgangslager) into a concentration camp in order to recycle captured enemy ammunition. Glücks answered that there was no need for such a transformation, as they could use the existing infrastructure for the purpose.

    See Nuremberg Document NO-842:
    http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/php/search.php?DI=1&FieldFlag=11&NMTID=1&MTNo=482&MTNoSuff=

    Even if “transit camp” (Durchgangslager) were a code word for extermination camp, how could they then use the same small camp for daily extermination and as a labor camp?

    Also, it was argued that there was no place to transit the Jews East of the camps. However, at the time the frontline (Leningrad, Moscow, Stalingrad) was between 1000 and 2000 km to the East, so there would have been plenty of space to settle “evacuated”, unarmed Jews, don’t you think so?

  22. ColeSlaw says:

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/censgunpoint.html

    “The Nazis intended to kill all of the Jews of Europe, and the final death toll of this attempted genocide was six million. This atrocity, unique in its scope and breadth, must never be forgotten. ” – David Cole Stein

    “I was seduced by pseudo-historical nonsense and clever-sounding but empty ideas and catch-phrases.” – David Cole

    “These “documentaries” are merely videotaped garbage filled with self-hatred and pseudo-intellectual nonsense. My “media appearances” were nothing but an embarrassment. My glazed look, specious reasoning, and talking-in-circles during my talk show appearances would have hopefully alerted any astute viewers that this was a man not in touch with reality. ” – David Cole

    Do not pay any attention to any “David Cole” videos, except to rightly denounce them as frauds. – David Cole

    I am thankful for being given the opportunity to make this statement. This statement is made freely and under no duress, and is quite willingly, even happily, given to Mr. Irv Rubin of the Jewish Defense League for the widest possible distribution. – David Cole

    http://www.totalfascism.com/exposing-the-myth-of-the-good-jew-david-cole-becomes-david-stein/#more-2455

    • Jean-Paul Stevens says:

      I praised you earlier yet, you seem to have a bi-polar disfunction or your courageousness has been replaced by cowerdness…
      I start to question now,…are you really David Cole?

  23. Andrew says:

    @ColeSlaw: Yes, but you forgot to copy this:

    “This statement appears on the JDL website, where it replaced the threats which perhaps led to it.”
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/censgunpoint.html

    Compare it to all those former SS sergeants and lieutenants who “confessed” to gassings everywhere…

    • MK "Ultra"S says:

      by the way Andrew, Anglin I presume? Your implication would be a good one if it wasn’t for Stein’s behavior as Stein pushing the classic Jewish narrative of the holocaust. I doubt he was “forced” to do that!

  24. V. K. Clark says:

    David,

    You are an admirable and amazing person. Stay strong against the tide of bullying and hatred leveled against you. Your video is what opened my eyes about WW2. I know how vicious the trolls and bullies can be, but just know that you have a lot of respectable admirers who will always be here, come what may.

    I wanted to know if you ever looked into Bryan Mark Rigg’s revisionist book “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers”. If you haven’t yet, I think it will be an valuable addition to your current knowledge level.

    You may e-mail me any time.

    P.S. Your show with Josh Blakeney was excellent. You were well spoken and had brilliant arguments.

    • V. K. Clark says:

      I noticed that “ColeSlaw’s” name is linked to Andre (Andrew) Anglin’s old site “Total Fascism.”

      Andre is a vicious, woman-hating cyberbully who allows his followers to target women especially as well as David Cole and even Fritz Berg…denouncing all of us as “Jewish infiltrators” and other such vicious gibberish. I lost my tolerance for these monstrous trolls a long time ago, hence my comment here.

      So, to those who would try and act like I or anyone else here who defends Mr Cole against these wild animals am involved in some “Jewish conspiracy,” please take a look at yourselves and assess your own nasty behavior.

      Allow me to tell some facts about Andre Anglin. Andre said “I am only attracted to black girls,” “Jews are smarter than whites,” and “I think the white race should be bred out.” He said all of this on Paul Ironshore’s radio show Iconoclast. He also dated underage girls in the Philippines. There is video footage that he himself took on YouTube that proves this.

      Yet, Mr Cole, Fritz Berg and I are the alleged “infiltrators” and other such absurd nonsense. Come now. Is this why Andre had Mike Delaney, a white pride follower, shut down TruTube TV, because Andre was getting bullied with this information that he himself divulged on the radio and on YouTube? How dare he and his followers bully us when he himself does not tolerate bullying. What a two-faced coward.

      I might add that Andre’s trolling of Luciana Berger, a Jewish MP, is likely going to get all anonymity taken away for good on the Internet. Thanks a lot Andre! Way to “help” the “white race”.

      I’m sure this will open old cans of worms, but I do not care anymore. I have nothing to conceal unlike these vicious trolls who offer every excuse for Andre and his bully boys they can. They continue to wail and moan about a silly little psyop gag pulled against them nine months ago by Max French, me, and a couple of other gentlemen which unintentionally exposed them as worse than we suspected they even were!

      These white pride trolls screamed to no end that I was “ADL and SPLC”, or even “CIA”, an integral part of the GAG against them, and starting lashing out accordingly… like rabid pit bulls guarding a meth house. They refused to hear reasons or explanations for the gag. Gee, could it have been the ENDLESS and VICIOUS abuse they hurled at me, Deanna Spingola and any other female in this “Twoof movement” who was simply trying to tell the truth about the Third Reich?

      It is unbelievable the insanity of this whole “Twoof movement”. Watch it fracture and flail because that is exactly what it’s doing. Any “movement” based an drama, cyberbullying, hatred of women, obsession with “race purity”, and endless Jew-bashing and blaming deserves what’s happening to the “Twoof movement.”

      I had to divest from it to maintain my own sanity and respectability. Engaging with it is futile…as these “white pride” wild animals just increase their viciousness and hatred ten-fold if one tries to defend oneself or “counter-bully” them.

      They are, for all intents and purposes, wild animals. Try them on sometime if you doubt me, especially you women out there. They will rip you apart.

      • Richard says:

        Why would you want to bring all this shit in here?

        It seems to me that whenever your name shows up in some comment field, it brings with it a lot of totally unnecessary and irrelevant drama.

        Are these blogs filled with pictures of genitalia and transvestites yours, btw.? I considered buying one of your books, but reconsidered after seeing a lot of nasty stuff being posted in your name.

        • V. K. Clark says:

          Hi misogynist, anonymous troll. Thank you for proving my point.

          • Richard says:

            The only thing that was proved here was that you see “misogynists” and “trolls” where there are none. I am anonymous because unlike you, I happen to live in a country where you can be prosecuted for hate-speech simply for holding up a sign that says the Holocaust story isn’t true. And my pointing out that you bring your personal beef with someone else into this thread has nothing to do with mysogyny.

            Ever heard of the psychological concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy? You should look that up. Also look up trolling 101. Trolls love the kind of hysterical rant you posted. This is what they want, you know.

        • V. K. Clark says:

          Fritz Berg wanted me to clarify my defense of Mr Cole, so I did. I am defending him against the same beasts that troll me to no end.

          • MK "Ultra"S says:

            Hey VK- Anglin is obviously an op or do you think an intelligent person would try so hard to divide up the goyim as he does? Quit worrying about the Jews.You are too easy on them. As far as David Cole goes, you can whitewash David’s playing to the other side by producing classic holocaust videos if you want but I don’t think the false narrative inflicted on Germans by David’s kin is a laughing manner or something to flip flop on depending on the audience you are addressing.Also, V, you know you are the only aware goy to charge me with antisemitic hate speech but I guess that’s what got me on your case- your Jew sucking up. Didn’t make sense still doesn’t unless you are an __! Guess!
            You know when I absolutely knew you were cointel pro? When you said Russian gentiles started the revolution and the Jews jumped on in the end. Now, regarding your brother , Zander- is that his name or is it Brandon- I do get so confused but when Zander left the movement with his tail between his legs and Brandon popped up the next day as if it was the day he was born you forgot to tell me and I had to figure it out for myself by looking at your recommended sites. Even the ADL doesn’t link Zander to Brandon so he really did a good job hiding the transition. Of course it helps that everyone that interviews Brandon pretends he wasn’t Zander. It’s so nice to see orchestration behind the scenes in action. Lol! Well, I know you have been reassigned but rest assured VK, I will always keep one eye out for you! Oh, you got an explanation as to how Joshua Blakenly, the former Jew doofus punching bag of Zander, is now Brandon’s equal partner? Was it and is it all pretend VK? Is your job to get the WN all pissed off? Cause you never say a thing bad about Jews though it is the Jews that have concocted most of the lies, now, isn’t it! Don’t forget to read a bit of the protocols everyday and where’s that original copy of Mein kampf you promised to clear up that issue with Hitler, eh?

            • VKC says:

              What’s your MO for spelling everyone’s name incorrectly, Joe Sigur? Call me curious. And don’t you know that I’m really Bill Kaulitz? Muh trooftard brigade said so. 😉

        • Some of us, especially gals, have thinner skins. The insults that I take almost in stride are not taken so lightly by Ms. Clark. Gals are often bombarded with an extra dose of macho viciousness simply because they are gals–even by other gals out of jealousy, or whatever.

          Veronika is obviously venting some of her long restrained anger here. Why not? David Cole can probably understand her pain? He knows what it is like. Courageous young ladies like Ms. Clark need a bit more consideration than 70-year old fogies like me–or else they will simply hide like most other gals do. Most men hide also for fear of any criticism.and never raise their voices about anything, ever.

          FPBerg

  25. To David Cole and everyone,

    I challenged David Cole to debate me on radio in early August as to whether there were any Nazi homicidal gassings, ever, anywhere–but, I have received no response yet.

    One really important reason for such a debate is to show simple-minded folks and “fruitcakes” like Fredrick Toben that the views of “revisionists” are quite nuanced and diverse. In other words, there is substantial variation—even disagreement– within the ranks. For the simple-minded like Toben, however, this is an enormous problem. For such folks, the entire world can be divided into “Good Guys” and “Bad Guys.” For Toben, the “Good Guys” are those who worship Willis Carto, Faurisson, Leuchter, Zuendel and himself, of course. The “Bad Guys” are all those who express any disagreement with the great pontifications from Leuchter and Faurisson or fail to appreciate the great work of thieves like Willis Carto. People who do not chant Faurisson’s nine-word challenge at least once a week are working for the “enemy.” Such people must be closet Jews–or worse.

    So, let us have a debate, David, you and me, to show the world–or, at least a small part of the world–that revisionists are NOT like so many lemmings in step with their leaders.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com (new window)
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
    There were NO “limited gassings.” There were NO homicidal gassings at all!
    Please visit and contribute to: http://www.Gaschamberhoax.com (new window)

    • Ken Meyercord says:

      When I tried to view “The Treblinka Archeology Hoax” on your website (GasChamberHoax.com), I got the message “This video is not available in your country” [USA]. What gives?

  26. To Ken Meyercord. I just received the following answer from Eric Hunt about his Treblinka Archaeology video.

    QUOTE: Caroline Colls and company probably complained to YouTube to get it banned.

    Notice she refuses to even reply to emails daring to question any aspect of her hoax. END OF QUOTE

    I haven’t yet checked to see whether Eric’s other video using the actual testimony from self-described “survivors” is still available. I love the testimony of Helen Schwartz. David Cole should look at it also. Helen’s testimony as well as the testimony from many of Spielberg’s other eyewitness “survivors” undermine everything Cole and others claim about the AR camps.

    Although Cole is absolutely right to insist that one can commit mass murder with carbon monoxide contrary to the foolish claims of Fred Leuchter and Fredrick Toeben–the gassing story falls completely apart when one looks further. What was the source of the carbon monoxide? Diesel engines? Does it matter? Does David Cole or Weber or Irving even know the differences between diesels and gasoline engines? And why did ALL of the alleged “eyewitnesses” to the AR gassings (the entire basis of the gassing claim) get the color of the corpses completely wrong? How could they possibly have made such huge blunders if they were not simply lying? And, without their lies–what is left?

    The corpses are still supposedly there–so, why not dig them up and do some autopsies? What are the Jews afraid of? Do they intend to ban autopsies forever the way they ban videos or revisionists? WOW!

    FPBerg

  27. Eric Hunt’ s other video–all 4 parts–using the actual testimony from self-described “survivors” is still available at:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byaBUkOHUwg

    Is it conceivable that David Cole could have seen Eric’s superb piece of revisionism before writing the nonsense he has put together in his book? I have no idea–but, Cole and everyone should see the video. Those Jewish “eyewitnesses” recorded by Spielberg thoroughly undermine ALL of the “evidence” that Cole, Irving and Weber have scraped together to support their obscenely stupid gassing claims.

    Please contribute generously to: “20th Century HOAX.” Eric Hunt represents r-e-a-l history and revisionism.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com (new window)
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
    There were NO “limited gassings.” There were NO homicidal gassings at all!
    Please visit and contribute to: http://www.Gaschamberhoax.com (new window)
    Reply

  28. Thanks Per for providing that link to David Irving;s views. It was new to me. Irving seems to have totally dropped the gassing claim which makes a possible debate between himself and me on the subject of gassings pointless. He seems to agree with me completely on that subject..

    That leaves other important questions such as the disposal of corpses. Is it likely that victims of mass shootings would have ever been cremated or incinerated–or is it more likely that they would have simply been left wherever they fell and covered up? In any event, exhumations and autopsies would resolve many questions. If the victims were shot, the corpses even after centuries in the ground would provide proof of death by shooting. No doubt, many people were shot everywhere in Europe, by all sides–so, there will still be many questions like–how many and why.. Only if there are NO signs of bullet wounds could anyone still argue that the victims might have been gassed. Without the “gassing” feature, the holocaust story loses that special uniqueness that has empowered Jews as never before in their entire history. They dare not give up as easily as Mr. Irving has.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com (new window)
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!
    There were NO “limited gassings.” There were NO homicidal gassings at all!
    Please visit and contribute generously to: http://www.Gaschamberhoax.com (new window)
    Reply

  29. Lou Stacey says:

    There are other documents that need to be examined before concluding that the claim of 6 million Jews were ‘exterminated’ in German ‘death’ camps. E.g. The International Red Cross Report, disclosing a TOTAL of 271,301 deaths in ALL of Hitler’s camps: http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/

    Other documents to consider are the World almanacs and Jewish census records of the world Jewish population before and after WWII which show, not a 40% decrease in the number of Jews in the world, but an increase of more than 400,000 Jews than there were before they were ‘exterminated’. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t790421/

    It appears David has been taken in by another potential ‘hoax within a hoax’ concerning what has been ‘claimed’ to be Goebbels’ diaries. I found this well sourced posted at the CODOH site (http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3793&start=30)

    THE GOEBBELS DIARIES: A SHORT CHRONOLOGY, WITH COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS

    1941: March
    At the end of March 1941 Goebbels had the 20 thick volumes of his diary deposited in an underground vault of the Reichsbank.

    1941: July
    Goebbels began dictating his diaries to secretary Dr Richard Otte.

    Question: Is it not possible that there is a hoax, and that Goebbels never ceased writing his own diaries? Arthur Butz, Hoax of the Twentieth Century, has expressed doubt as to whether the story of how Otte transcribed the diary is true. See http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/thottc/10.html

    1942 >
    ‘While going through the Goebbels diaries [Irving] found that from about 1942 on Goebbels repeatedly said things like “We have crimes on our book. We can’t go back. We can only go forward.”‘ – Frank Miele.
    http://www.skeptic.com/02.4.miele-holocaust.html#fire

    Comment: No sooner does Goebbels stop handwriting his own diaries than they begin including passages in which G. betrays consciousness of being a ‘criminal’ – which is precisely the way the Allies were determined to depict him! How very obliging Herr Goebbels was!

    1942: March 27
    Goebbels diary entry (typewritten)
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Goebbels/Tgb_27034 … 2a_600.jpg

    1944: Late
    The dictated pages began being filmed onto glass plates.
    Photos: http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/JG/Microfiches.gif
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/JG/JGTgb.jpg

    Irving: The Germans filmed the diaries on about 1,700 glass plates in 1944 and 1945, some 70,000 pages of them.

    1945: April: Late
    The aluminium crates containing the microformed diaries were sent to the Führerbunker.

    1945: July
    According to Louis P. Lochner, the 591 typewrited original pages from Goebbels’s diary were among 7,000 pages which had been discarded by the Soviets during searches of the Propaganda Ministry at Wilhelmsplatz. They had been found in the courtyard of the Ministry immediately after the end of the war by a rag collector, who took them to a waste paper dealer. Through the hands of different intermediaries, the papers came into the possession of American reporter Frank E. Mason. Mason suspected that they were Goebbels diaries and took them to Lochner, former chief of the Berlin bureau of the Associated Press. Lochner, who was definitely in Berlin in July 1945 – he was slightly injured in a crash with a Russian truck – subsequently identified them as the original diary entries of Dr. Goebbels. He did so on the basis of apparent similarities with Goebbels’ 1925-26 diary, which had been given to former President Herbert Hoover during a visit to Germany in 1946. Lochner decided that they were genuine on account of rhetorical and stylistic similarities. Lochner edited and translated them into English himself. They were published in 1948.

    Photo: http://rationalrevolution.net/special/l … bbels1.jpg

    Questions: Can we believe that the Soviet occupiers could not tell that the pages belonged to Goebbels’s diary? After all the documents looked important: “The diaries were typed on fine water-marked paper, which was rare in wartime Germany and available only to high government officials.” Next, can we believe that the Soviet occupiers allowed rag collectors to fossick among the ruins of the Propaganda Ministry? At this stage, they would have been searching diligently for material that could have been used to identify and punish suspected war criminals. Do we have anything, other than the word of two Americans – neither taken under oath – to prove the origin of the documents? Can the handwritten diary of 1925-26 really be used to authenticate the typewritten diaries of 1942-43? Could the typewritten diaries possibly have been faked by emulating the rhetoric and style of Goebbels’s authentic 1925-26 diary?

    There is an interesting connection here: Herbert Hoover. Not only did Hoover possess an authentic Goebbels diary, he was a close friend of Frank E. Mason:

    “Mason’s long friendship with Herbert Hoover, and the services he performed for the “Chief” as a public relations advisor and literary executor, are the principal focus of the papers Mason donated to the Hoover Presidential Library. Diaries and correspondence with Hoover and Mason’s wife Ellen (1945-47) provide interesting observations concerning early Allied occupation policies. While he was in Europe Mason also acted as a collector of manuscripts, records and rare books for the Hoover Institution. His main coup was the discovery and preservation of a large portion of the diaries of Joseph Goebbels. This led to a prolonged fight with the Office of Alien Property which sought to block its publication by Mason and his associates.”
    http://www.ecommcode2.com/hoover/resear … /mason.htm

    More questions: Isn’t it odd that Hoover’s friend, Mason, is the man who told Lochner he thought the diaries were Goebbels’s, and that Hoover had been given, by persons unknown (Mason?) the copy of a Goebbels diary that Lochner used to determine that the diaries Mason had given him were, in fact, those of Goebbels? Also intriguing: Why did the Office of Alien Property try to block publication of the Goebbels diary?

    1946-47
    Question: Why, if he deemed the diaries authentic, did Lochner not make them available for use during the Nuremberg trials, especially considering all the incriminating passages that appear in them from 1942 onwards?

    1947
    The pages of the Goebbels diary ‘discovered’ by Mason/Lochner were microfilmed in New York. The originals were then deposited at the Hoover Institution in Stanford, California.

    1948
    Publication of The Goebbels Diaries 1942-43. ‘When the Lochner Book came out in 1948 there was a note from the government that reads: “No representative of the interested agencies of the United States Government has read the original manuscript or the translation of excerpts therefrom. The Department of State desires, as a matter of policy, to encourage widespread publication of documents such as this purports to be, of significance in the field of foreign policy, and has therefore not objected to the publication. The United States Government … neither warrants nor disclaims the authenticity of the manuscript upon which this publication is based, and neither approves nor disapproves of the translation, selection of material, annotation, or other editorial comment contained herein.”

    Questions: Was the publication of the diaries deliberately held over until the Nuremberg trials was over? Why did the US Government explicitly distance itself from the diaries? Wasn’t it interested in knowing whether they were authentic or not? After all, if they were authentic they would have been extremely relevant to the ongoing war crimes trials. Was the US Government perhaps distancing itself from what it knew, or suspected, to be a hoax (if it was not actually involved in perpetrating it itself)?

    1962
    All available portions of the Goebbels diaries, including fragments unearthed by the French in their sector of Berlin, were microfilmed and published by the American Historical Association.

    1969
    The government of the GDR searched the ruins of the Reich Chancellery and found nine aluminium-boxes containing 20,000 severely water-damaged pages, both typewritten and handwritten, from the diaries.

    Question: Is it really possible that as many as nine aluminium boxes were still sitting in the Reich Chancellery 44 years after the Fall of Berlin and (in particular) many years after the Soviets had destroyed the Chancellery and recycled the materials for the Treptower Park monument and other purposes?

    1977
    Hamburg publisher Verlag Hoffmann & Campe published the Goebbels diaries for the period February 28-April 10, 1945 from copies that had been unearthed in Central Germany.

    1987
    The greater part of the diaries covering the period 1924-41 – around 4,000 pages altogether, were published in four volumes by a former research assistant for David Irving, Elke Fröhlich of the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich: Dr. Elke Fröhlich (ed.), ‘Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels. Sämtliche Fragmente,’ 4 Vols., Munich, KG. Saur Verlag, 1987.

    1992: Early
    Former research assistant for David Irving, Elke Froehlich, discovered the glass plates of the Goebbels diaries in the Soviet State Archives in Moscow because she recognised Richard Otte’s writing on the lids. However, Froehlich’s institute (the Institut für Zeitgeschichte in Munich) denied her the means to research further.
    http://www.codoh.com/graphics/goebdiaries.GIF

    Comments: A likely story! Richard Otte’s handwriting must be peculiarly distinctive!

    Questions: Can we really believe that the institute sponsoring Froehlich, who is supposedly the ‘world’s leading authority on the Goebbels diaries,’ would not see the value of sponsoring important work on the Goebbels diaries? Why sponsor the research world’s leading authority on the Goebbels diaries if you don’t actually plan to enable her to carry out research on the same subject? Can we really believe that Froehlich was not at least a little tempted to research the diaries at her own expense? After all, she was in Moscow anyway. What’s a hotel bill for a few more weeks?

    Theory: Froehlich was sent to Moscow to ‘pre-authenticate’ the Goebbels diaries as the first stage of a trap to snare David Irving.

    1992: June
    After he was made aware of their existence by Froelich, David Irving becomes the first scholar to examine the glass plates of the Goebbels diaries. Miraculously, they authenticate the previously published Goebbels diaries (see entry for 1948), whose own story of origin is extremely implausible (see entry for 1945: April: Late). In particular, Irving uses the glass plates to decide the question of the authenticity of pages from Goebbels’s diary that were ‘wrangled over’ in the Lipstadt trial.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/Goebbels/Tgb_27034 … 70342.html

    Question: Could a fake have been perpetrated to ‘prove’ the authenticity of an earlier fake? Given the importance of the diary in polemics between revisionists and Holohoaxers like Lipstadt, it would be an extremely convenient way of bolstering the Holohoax position against the revisionists. Is this why David Irving ended up being enticed to Moscow by the discovery of the glass plates?

    1992: July
    Diaries found by David Irving in Moscow were first published by the news-magazine Der Spiegel in four issues, beginning with No. 29/1992 (13 July 1992) to No. 32/1992.

    Comment: That’s rather fast work! Irving has just obtained access to them, and within a month excerpts are already being published in a magazine that one would expect would be extremely wary of publishing this type of material.

    Late 1992
    David Irving successfully obtained the necessary funding to allow him to purchase the glass plates from the Moscow archives. No sooner did he raise the necessary cash than his access to the Moscow archives, and therefore to the plates, was abruptly cut off.

    Question: Is it possible that ‘they’ (i.e., those actually running the Goebbels diary hoax) wanted Irving to know enough about the plates to authenticate them, but did not want him to actually possess them, in case over time he was able to work out that they were not authentic?

  30. Per says:

    No problem Berg.

    Have Eric Hunt responded to this recent article by David Cole?

  31. David Cole is ducking my challenge to debate–with a challenge (see the CODOH forum) of his own: “Give me an alternate theory regarding the fate of the over 2.4 million “departed” Jewish evacuees listed in the Korherr Report….”

    The numbers of “holocaust survivors” are enormous—even today. “Survivors” are like Coca-Cola They are everywhere–just open your eyes, David Cole.The numbers were well into the hundreds of thousands even sixty years after the war. In 2003 an Israeli demographer, Sergio Della Pergola, stated in an official Israeli report http://www.icheic.org/pdf/ICHEIC_demography1.pdf that there were 1.092,000 Jewish holocaust survivors alive in the world in 2003. Those huge numbers imply that there were many millions of Jewish “holocaust survivors” alive at the very end of the war. Moreover, many YouTube videos from “survivors” give personal details about how fiendish Nazis kept multitudes of Jews alive for many months, even years in spite of a supposed policy of extermination. Why would the Nazis have done that if they were trying to “exterminate” the Jews? Did they want hundreds of thousands of Jewish “eyewitnesses” to help hang them after the war? The alleged crematoria-gas chambers at Birkenau, for example, were in full, open view of nearly every inmate there. Why even bother with concentration camps if the goal is to exterminate people?

    Steven Spielberg had no apparent trouble finding and interviewing “survivors” from AR camps as the Eric Hunt video shows.

    So, David, you have no excuse for refusing to debate me.

    Friedrich Paul Berg
    Learn everything at http://www.nazigassings.com
    Nazi Gassings Never Happened! Niemand wurde vergast!

  32. Edoardo says:

    “Could the typewritten diaries possibly have been faked by emulating the rhetoric and style of Goebbels’s authentic 1925-26 diary? ”

    1) Could the drawings of the buildings of the extermination camps be a fake? A fake created by the same Nazis?

    Nazi during the war prepared an “alternative plan” to exhibit as inconsistency of the gas chambers. The deportation to Madagascar was a fake in order to have an alibi for the million of missing Jews. Vatican, the n. 1 implied in the Holocaust, saved same Jews in order to build an alibi too.

  33. John says:

    Hi Dave, at the end of your Auschwitz documentary you seem pretty convinced of the same level of deception at Treblinka as at Auschwitz:

    “And if the soviets exaggerated the number of dead at Auschwitz, who’s to say they didn’t also do it at the other camps? Why would they exaggerate Auschwitz by almost four times, and then be brutally honest about Treblinka?”. (55:10 onwards)

    Your tonality suggests a strong persuasion towards this view. Why the about turn now?

  34. Marco says:

    I’m stuck in the middle of David’s point of view and some of the more die hard revisionists. The documentation is compelling, however, physical proof would be a dead ringer. And NO ONE has found the bodies or mass graves of anything NEAR two million. That is why I lean towards the fact that SIGNIFICANTLY less than two million were murdered. Not including deaths by natural causes/suicide, disease, old age, etc. (of jews).

  35. Greg Gerdes says:

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/Stein:

    “My “46 Forty-Six Important Unanswered Questions Regarding the Nazi Gas Chambers” dealt solely with physical evidence issues.”

    As do

    The National Association of Forensic Historians

    40 Definitive Questions About 4 Dubious WW II Era “Huge Mass Grave” Sites

    that “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/Stein is running away from.

    (See The N.A.F.H. website – http://nafcash.com/ – to view said questions.)

    So why does Cole/Stein refuse to answer The N.A.F.A. questions – even when there is a reward of up to $10,000.00 for doing so? (Actually, he can earn even more than that if he does.)

    Is it because “Mr. Physical Evidence” is afraid that he will be exposed as a hypocrite and liar if he does?

  36. Greg Gerdes says:

    So what’s wrong “Mr. Physical Evidence?” Are The N.A.F.H. simple yes / no, true / false and fill in the blank questions too hard for you to understand? Do they have you stymied?

    Or maybe you just don’t have the courage, integrity or character to confront the answers to the simple questions?

    Or maybe you just don’t have the brain power to deal with 40 questions all at once? Maybe 40 simple yes / no, true / false and fill in the blank questions is overwhelming you?

    Let’s help poor David out and just ask the 10 Treblinka questions:

    The National Association of Forensic Historians TM ( http://nafcash.com/ ) will remit up to – $10,000.00 – in reward money for the correct answers to these 40 Definitive Questions About 4 Dubious WW II Era “Huge Mass Grave” Sites (FYI – The definition of – extant grave – used for this questionnaire is: An existing place of burial that currently contains human remains.) Note: Individual parts may be answered separately for twenty five percent of the reward amount…

    Part Five – Treblinka II Questions – (What do we know for certain about the claimed / alleged / insinuated mass graves / physical evidence at Treblinka II?):

    #31 – Is it known – with the utmost certainty – that; during WW II, Germany actually constructed and administered a camp called Treblinka II – Yes. – or – No. – ??

    #32 – Is it known – with the utmost certainty – that; during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the Treblinka II camp, at least one human corpse was actually buried in a grave that was located within the boundary of the camp – Yes. – or – No. – ??

    #33 – Is it – True. – or – False. – that; archaeologists / forensic investigators have searched for extant graves within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp – using modern geophysical / forensic science technology – ??

    #34 – Is it known – with the utmost certainty – that; at least one extant grave has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp – which currently contains scientifically verified human remains that were buried during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the camp – Yes. – or – No. – ??

    #35 – It is known – with the utmost certainty – that; as of – 3 / 15 / 15 – no more than and no less than __?__ extant graves have actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp, in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic science, literally / actually – physically unearthed / tangibly located – scientifically verified human remains.

    #36 – After measurement with verifiably accurate measuring devices and honest techniques, it is now known – with the utmost certainty – that; (measured from ground level) the deepest extant grave identified in the answer given to question #35 – has a depth of: __?__.

    #37 – After measurement with verifiably accurate measuring devices and honest techniques, it is now known – with the utmost certainty – that; the most voluminous extant grave identified in the answer given to question #35 – has a volume of: __?__.

    #38 – It is known – with the utmost certainty – that; at Treblinka II, archaeologists / forensic investigators have literally / actually – physically unearthed / tangibly located – the remains of at least 19 people in __?__ of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated extant “huge mass graves” that are identified in the map linked to below.

    #39 – As determined by legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented on-site archaeology / forensic science, it is now known – with the utmost certainty – that; the extant “huge mass grave” that has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp – which has the most conclusively documented scientifically verified human remains currently in it – is: grave # __?__.

    #40 – As of – 3 / 15 / 15; archaeologist Caroline Sturdy Colls has located / proven the existence of __?__ extant graves within her claimed boundary of the Treblinka II camp.

    * The 11 so-called “huge mass graves” of Treblinka II (#1/64 though #11/74 of the alleged 74) are shown in the map in this link here:

    http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58004000/gif/_58004030_treblinka_464.gif (Contact The N.A.F.H. for its grave numbering system for this camp.)

    Note: There is a separate reward (up to $5,000.00) that is being offered only to those listed above – for simply defending their answers in a public debate against Greg Gerdes – President of The N.A.F.H. (So why wont they debate? – They must prefer proving themselves cowards over being exposed as liars, hypocrites and frauds!) Also note that; not one of the above named individuals has ever dared to submit their answer to – The $74,000.00 Question – despite the cash reward offered to the lot of them for doing so. (What are they so afraid of?) Remember, legitimate scientists / archaeologists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries!

    And lastly, it bears repeating: If the so-called “scientific proof” for the existence of these phantom “huge mass graves” really does exist – as is deceptively insinuated – then the numerous cash rewards offered by The N.A.F.H. (which total up to $100,000.00) would be claimed by the dissembling defenders of this big-lie – in a heartbeat.

  37. Greg Gerdes says:

    Well, it looks like the simple questions have poor David stymied. (Or maybe he lacks the courage, integrity and character to answer them?) So let’s turn the screws on poor David a little more – have a little fun dismantling his drivel.

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “And now “Mr. Physical Evidence” has a message for his former comrades: some of you have completely missed the point of what I was doing. My position was that physical evidence must be rigorously examined when and where it exists. But its absence is not a reason to deny that a particular event happened… Relying on documentary evidence is not a de facto admission that you have a weak case.”

    But it is a de facto admission that you have a weak case when you knowingly and willingly try to hide the fact that the holohoaxers insist that not only does the physical evidence exist – but also insist that it has been located / scientifically proven to exist via modern forensic science / archaeology.

    By saying – “But its absence is not a reason to deny that a particular event happened,” are you admitting that the 74 fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” – of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II are empty?

    Why do you present your lame argument without telling the whole story here David? Isn’t knowingly trying to suppress pertinant information a de facto admission that you have a weak case?

    Isn’t knowingly trying to suppress pertinant information a de facto admission that you are a liar, coward, hypocrite and fraud?

  38. Greg Gerdes says:

    Destroying David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein’s juvenile “argument” about relying on documentary evidence instead of the physical evidence that is claimed / alleged / insinuated to exist at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II is child’s play. Let’s turn the screws on poor David just a little more.

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “I don’t want to be misunderstood here – I have had the good fortune to meet some wonderful and exceptional revisionists since my outing, people (most of whom are quite young) who value truth and adhere to the principle that you go where the evidence takes you, and everyone, regardless of preconceived biases, might end up a little happy, or a little disappointed, with the end results.”

    So today’s question for poor David is:

    When you “went where the evidence took you” while investigating the claims that the remains of the jews who allegedly died in the “mass-murder camps” of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II currently lie in 74 “huge mass graves” – did you end up “up a little happy, or a little disappointed, with the end results?”

    What’s wrong “Mr. Physical Evidence?”

    Why are you so afraid of addressing the issue of the 74 alleged “huge mass graves?”

    Is it because you know that it will expose you as the liar, coward, hypocrite and fraud that you are if you do?

    To see for yourself what has poor David so terrified, see this:

    http://nafcash.com/

  39. Greg Gerdes says:

    Well, it’s time for poor David’s daily smack-down.

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “When we speak of sixty million (or more) killed under Mao, do any of you really think that historians arrived at that figure because sixty million Chinese bodies were dug up, autopsied, and positively identified?

    Are any of you that stupid?

    When we speak of twenty million or more murdered under Stalin, are you genuinely under the impression that this figure was arrived at by “undeniable physical evidence?”

    Please tell me that you’re not that dense.

    The study of deaths during the Soviet years, and during Mao’s rule, involve complex demographic studies and lots of extrapolation. The margin of error alone in the figures regarding Communist Chinese deaths is a larger figure than the entire number of Jews believed to be killed under Hitler. Yet that doesn’t mean we dismiss the notion of mass deaths from murder and starvation under Mao. It means we shouldn’t go around saying “show me sixty million dead, autopsied, positively ID’d bodies, or I ain’t buying this nonsense.”

    But nobody claims that those 20/60 million dead were killed in an absurd, physically impossible manner – like they do at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II – do they David?

    And nobody claims that the remains of those 20/60 million dead are currently buried in 74 extant “huge mass graves” – like they do at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II – do they David?

    And nobody is saying that the alleged 2 million killed at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II need to be dug up, autopsied, and positively identified before buying the story. They only ask it to be proven that their remains actually do reside, like is claimed, in the 74 fraudulently alleged “huge mass graves” – isn’t that right David?

    You are a very stupid / dense individual David.

    You ought to be embarrassed.

  40. Greg Gerdes says:

    Yawn – is it that time of day again were I take poor David Cole/stein over over my knee and give him a spanking?

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “At the same time Jews were disappearing down the black hole of the Reinhardt camps”

    Aaahhh – so that’s what happened to the jooos at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II – they “disappeared down black holes!” Ha ha ha!!! Are you sure that Santa didn’t show up with a sleigh pulled by reindeer and haul the “ashes” to the North Pole? Ha ha ha!!!

    So what do you say to all those who claim that most of the dead jooos we buried in “huge mass graves” – then dug up, stacked “just right” so they could burn without hardly any fuel, and then the remains were deposited right back into the same “huge mass graves” that they were just dug out of – huh David?

    Are you saying that the “scientists” who claim to have located / proven the existence of 74 “huge mass graves” using modern geophysical / forensic science tools and techniques at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II are liars and frauds? Are you saying that the “archaeologists” who claim the same things are involved in a criminal fraud? Are you saying that there is some kind of charade / conspiracy currently going on at those camps? If the 74 “huge mass graves” aren’t filled with the remains of the phantom jooos – then what are they filled with?

    David Cole’s Black Holes! – ha ha ha!!!

    You are a very stupid / dense individual David.

    You ought to be embarrassed.

  41. Greg Gerdes says:

    The very stupid / dense David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “In the end, the deniers have nothing with which to counter the chain of documentary evidence. They simply cannot account for the 2.4 million Reinhardt evacuees.”

    Well David, let’s you and me account for them right here and now – shall we?

    Let’s start with this:

    How many of those “2.4 million Reinhardt evacuees” are currently buried in the 74 “huge mass graves” of Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibir and Treblinka II?

    And while we’re at it David, why don’t you answer – The National Association of Forensic Historians ( http://nafcash.com/ ) – $74,000.00 Question:

    How many of the 74 so-called “huge mass graves” claimed to exist at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II can you prove – with the utmost certainty – contain the remains of at least 19 bodies?

    What are you waiting for “Mr. Physical Evidence”?

    What are you so afraid of?

  42. Greg Gerdes says:

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “OF COURSE you can gas people en masse with carbon monoxide… Yes, you can kill people en masse with carbon monoxide… Never confuse difficult with impossible.”

    And OF COURSE you can kill people en masse with steam. And yes, you can can kill people en masse in steam chambers. So why don’t you tell us about “the chain of documentary evidence” that exists for the mass murder of jooos by steam in homicidal steam chambers at Treblinka II David?

    Remember Davey – never confuse difficult with impossible!

  43. Greg Gerdes says:

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “The competent revisionists, David Irving, Mark Weber, and I”

    And what do these three so-called “competent revisionists” have in common?

    Not one of them dares to answer – The National Association of Forensic Historians

    $74,000.00 Question

    or its

    40 Definitive Questions About 4 Dubious WW II Era “Huge Mass Grave” Sites

    http://nafcash.com/

    Their collective false reality relies on their totally ignoring the claims / allegations / insinuations that scientists / archaeologists have located / proven the existence of 74 so-called “huge mass graves” in which the majority of “the Reinhardt jooos” currently lie.

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “(I’m publishing the transcript at length so that it will be Google-searchable, attached to Faurisson’s name, from now on)”

    Speaking of “Google-searchable”Davey – what happens when you google: mass graves found at Belzec, or mass graves found at Chelmno or mass graves found at Sobibor or mass graves found at Treblinka????

    Have you “never even bothered” to do such a thing?

    • MK "Ultra"S says:

      David will be back but he is currently incognito under the name Blamowitz hanging out in New York as a democrat claiming the Palestinians aren’t an authentic people and that Rachel Corrie being a goy, deserved to die when she didn’t move away from the bulldozer. He’ll be back in his revisionist coat real soon though as David and holding the opposite view~!

  44. Greg Gerdes says:

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “So, on one side, we have David Irving, Mark Weber, and your humble author… Not everything in life has clearly defined, easily identifiable sides. This does. Revisionist or denier. Pick a side.”

    And yet more duplicity from dense Davey – claiming that one has to choose between just two sides to this issue (that were oh-so-conveniently chosen by little Davey himself), thus avoiding the fact that there are those who do not fit into either group or either side.

    David “Mr. Physical Evidence” Cole/stein:

    “On the other side, we have one man totally uninterested in history…”

    What about your total disinterest in archaeology / forensic science Davey? (How can a man who fancies himself as “Mr. Physical Evidence” cravenly pretend that there is no archaeology / forensic science issue here?)

    What about your total disinterest in The National Association of Forensic Historians – $74,000.00 Question

    or its – 40 Definitive Questions About 4 Dubious WW II Era “Huge Mass Grave” Sites

    http://nafcash.com/

    huh Davey?

  45. James says:

    6.2.2015
    I have listened to every recent radio interview with David Cole Stein with great interest and am glad to see the above article which I have not yet read carefully. I think David handles information wonderfully, clearly
    expresses it and anticipates questions for clarification. However, I suspect that the practice of calling other
    people involved in consideration of occult and un-clarified data relating to the putative Jewish Holocaust of WW II
    “idiots” and other denigrating terminology is counterproductive and burns bridges and blocks avenues of future
    possible communication. One can articulate observations of faulty data or reasoning or assumptions without
    blurring the matter with insults.
    Also, I wonder if the long defunct revisionist periodical formerly produced by the IHR addressed the information
    in the above article. It seems the loss of that periodical was a great blow to the still unresolved full picture of
    what is falsehood and what is truth in the official Jewish holocaust mythology. That vital revisionist periodical/journal served as a central clearing house of information where information could be built on information and a progressively truer picture constructed that could be found in one place and would provide
    an advantage over the current isolation of holocaust revisionist researchers and fragmentation of such research.

  46. Don Hermiston says:

    I agree with Fritz Berg that all the holocaust storytellers have is anecdotes at best and no physical evidence at all. It’s hard to know where David Irving stands now, but I have learned much from that period from his two volumes of Churchill’s War, Nuremberg’The Last Battle’ and Hitler’s war. The Goebbel’s Diary could very well have inserted or added material such as most translations of Mein Kampf have. But, I really don’t have an opinion. I haven’t read it yet. But, for me, the holocaust is preposterous anti-German propaganda which should have been placed in the garbage bin after the war. That one can be arrested and put in jail for having a different opinion of the Second World War than the traditionalists should remind everyone that a certain spoiled and pampered special interest group really does have too much power.

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