Debunking the Rick Perry “Pro-Sharia” School Curriculum Myth

By David Stein

(My absolute final word on the subject — even if Pam Geller calls me “asshat” again — HERE)

As my regular readers (both of ‘em) know, I’m taking a “summer vacation” away from my blog (I think it has something to do with my girlfriend’s desire that I occupy my time with things that actually produce an income). As I technically still consider myself “on vacation,” this post will be a bit looser and more informal than my other pieces (as evidenced by the fact that I’m breaking my rule of never writing in the first-person). Hell, I might not even spell-check it as rigorously as I usually do. Sue me; I’m on vacation.

Also, as my regular readers know, there is no single subject to which I have devoted more time than Muslim terror. I take pride in having had my stories carried on pretty much every anti-Islamist website around, from FrontPageMag and Atlas Shrugs, to Steven Emerson’s Investigative Project on Terrorism, Jerusalem Pulse Radio, Moonbattery, WorldNetDaily, NewsReal Blog, Islamist Watch, Daniel Pipes’ Middle East Forum, The Blaze,, Right Pundits, Creeping Sharia, Bare Naked Islam, Michelle Malkin’s site, etc., etc., etc.

Nevertheless, I still fully expect to be called a “dhimmi” by one or two of you after you read this post. recently pulled a neat little trick, one that is currently paying great dividends The liberal mega-site recently ran a piece that essentially accuses Governor Rick Perry of being a “pro-Sharia candidate” (complete with a ridiculously crude photoshopped image of Perry standing next to a Muslim crescent). Of course, the title of the piece, “Rick Perry: The Pro-Sharia Candidate?” ends with a question mark. Ha ha! It’s not an accusation – it’s just a question! Aren’t we clever,

And, of course, the author presents nothing to suggest that the answer to that question is yes.

Unless, of course, you read the following paragraph uncritically:

Perry is a friend of the Aga Khan, the religious leader of the Ismailis, a sect of Shia Islam that claims a reported 15 to 20 million adherents worldwide. Sprouting from that friendship are at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and Ismaili institutions, including a far-reaching program to educate Texas schoolchildren about Islam. That’s a partnership that has already prompted a bit of grumbling in far-right corners of the blogosphere and could conceivably become a primary issue if, as expected, Perry enters the presidential race.

And grumbling there has been! This, from Pamela Geller:

Perry has been sucked into the propaganda vortex, and is now wielding his enormous power to influence changes in the schoolrooms and in the curricula to reflect a sharia compliant version of Islam.  He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi’ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins.  Perry has concluded at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and the Ismailis, including a comprehensive program to feed children in Texas public schools and taqiyya nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace.

And where does Ms. Geller link to back up her claim? Salon! Okay, do you see the humor here? Pamela Geller is relying on SALON! Salon – one of the most Islam-friendly, Muslim-huggin’, “Ground Zero Mosque”-embracing sites on the ‘net – a site that DETESTS Pamela Geller and rips her at every opportunity – has now become Ms. Geller’s source for the “truth” about Rick Perry.

A word of advice, just between me and my two readers: NEVER has the best interests of conservatives at heart. If they’re warning us about a “pro-Sharia” Republican, it’s not because they actually want to warn us about a pro-Sharia Republican. More likely, they want to damage a man who has a decent chance of beating Obama.

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it only a year-and-a-half ago that we conservatives were shouting “Read the bill! Read the bill!” in the faces of Democrat lawmakers who brazenly admitted that they hadn’t actually bothered to read the Obamacare bill they were passing?

Uh…just a though: How about READING the curriculum that resulted from the Perry/Khan partnership?

And read it I did. In fact, I did more than that. I tracked down the guy who wrote it and interviewed him.

More on that in a moment.

First, who IS this “Aga Khan” fellow? The worst that Geller can say is that, in the past (the very distant past, by the way – the 11th Century, to be exact), the Ismaili Muslims (the sect led by Aga Khan) “gave rise to the Assassins!” Yep, and in the 14th Century the Vatican was forcing Jews to convert or flee Spain.

But back to the present, ‘kay?

These days, Aga Khan and the Ismailis are seen by other Muslims as friends of the U.S. and Israel, and they are often persecuted. They reject burqas and gender apartheid, as well.

David Horowitz and FrontPageMag held a symposium in 2010 on whether there is such a thing as “moderate Islam.” Read the following exchange between Dr. Timothy Furnish (, and the eminent Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch:

Furnish: I find myself in the curious (and somewhat uncomfortable) position of disagreeing with my friend Robert Spencer, for whom I have the utmost respect and with whom I almost always totally agree. However, on this issue of whether moderate Islam exists, I think Robert may be missing something. He is exactly right that Sunni Islam–whence comes directly Salafism, Wahhabism and jihadism–promotes violence against non-Muslims in order to make Islam paramount over the entire planet.  I have no quarrel with that stance. But I would argue that this is largely because within this majority branch of Islam the only acceptable exegetical paradigm regarding the Qur’an is a literalist one: and of course when passages such as “behead the unbeliever” [Suras 47:3 and 8:12] are read literally the good Muslim had better reach for his sword–or be rightly accused of infidelity to Allah’s Word.

However, perhaps because Robert is so well-versed in the theology of Islam, as opposed to the historical record of how that religious theory has been acted out on the stage of history, he seems to overlook the key fact on the ground that certain minorities within Islam have developed a non-literalist, even allegorical, approach to reading the Qur’an. Foremost among these moderates are the Isma`ilis, the Sevener Shi`is, whose global head is the philanthropical Aga Khan.  Isma’ilis may number only in the tens of millions (out of the total Muslim community of some 1.3 billion, second only to Christianity’s 2+ billion), but they do exist and they define, for example, jihad not as killing or conquering unbelievers, but as economic development and charity work.

Spencer: In all this my friend Timothy Furnish, whose work I admire, is entirely correct.

With all great respect to Pamela Geller, I consider Robert Spencer to be THE foremost authority on who is, and who isn’t, a terrorist or a sponsor and supporter of terrorism. If Spencer agrees that the Ismailis are philanthropical and nonviolent, I’ll take his word for it.

Although maybe I’m just blind to Mr. Spencer’s “dhimmitude.”

It should be noted that Perry’s friendship with Khan did not deter the Israelis from presenting him with the Defender of Jerusalem Award.

Yes, yes, that’s all well and good. But I can hear my two readers saying, “what about that PRO-SHARIA CURRICULUM?” (and I literally CAN hear them saying that, as my girlfriend and my mom are here in the room with me). After all, the Aga Khan may be as nonviolent as Gandhi on valium, but if he and Governor Perry (or the people who work for Perry) DID collaborate on a pro-Sharia propaganda curriculum, that’s an indelible black mark on the governor’s record.

Here is an overview of the curriculum, as presented on the website of the Muslim Histories and Culture Project (this is the site to which Salon links):

What is the Muslim Histories and Culture Project (MHCP)?

The Muslim Histories and Cultures Project was born out of discussions between His Highness The Aga Khan and Texas Governor Rick Perry during the Summer 2002, when The Aga Khan was in Houston for the dedication of a new Ismaili Center. Both His Highness and Governor Perry agreed on the need for Texans to have a greater understanding of Islamic culture, and subsequently brought UT-Austin President Larry Faulkner into the discussions. Located in the state capital, Faulkner’s campus is well positioned to accomplish these goals. A series of meetings followed, with the project ultimately finding a home in UT-Austin’s College of Liberal Arts, under the guidance of Dean Richard W. Lariviere, in association with UT Liberal Arts (UT-LA), the college’s teacher preparation program.

In April 2004, the Aga Khan Foundation (AKF) and UT-Austin finalized a grant proposal that created the partnership that became known as the Muslim Histories and Cultures Program (MHC). Much has happened since the inception of the partnership. Creation and implementation of a model was of prime importance. MHC recruited and directly trained 80 teachers affecting approximately 15,150 students of World History and World Geography in ten key Texas districts during the two sessions conducted in 2005 and 2006. The purpose is two-fold 1) to fulfill Governor Rick Perry’s desire to better educate Texas teachers on Muslim topics and 2) to train teachers to use a cultural lens approach to understanding other cultures. Governor Perry was instrumental in getting this program off the ground.

In other words, if there is anything foul in this program, we have every right to place the blame squarely on Governor Perry; his hands were all over this thing.

Much of the curriculum centers on very dry materials, presented with no editorializing – historical timelines, glossaries, the basic tenets of Islam (presented without either endorsement and praise, or denunciation and criticism), etc. Of interest to us, however, is the lesson plan that deals with Islam and the West, past and present. This is the lesson plan that mentions Sharia, al-Qaeda, Israel, Hamas, etc.

The lesson plan was written by Ronald Wiltse. Mr. Wiltse is a retired history teacher in San Antonio. He graduated from Pepperdine University in 1966, and received his MA from Middlebury College in 1982. For several decades, he taught world history at Edison High School, in San Antonio.

He is a Christian, and an ardent and vocal supporter of Israel.

Mr. Wiltse’s passion is world history. He has his own website,, where he creates customized lesson plans, covering ALL aspects of world history, for home schoolers and other educators.

Mr. Wiltse takes his profession very seriously. He explained to me that in 2009, when he heard that the Muslim Histories and Culture Project (MHCP)  was looking for teachers, he applied, and he submitted his lesson plan about Islam and the West for consideration for official use in the program. He was accepted, as was his lesson plan.

As he explained to me in our telephone interview, even though the Aga Khan foundation was essentially paying for everything, they never attempted to exert any influence over the materials used in the curriculum. The fact that Wiltse’s lesson plan was blatantly pro-Israel was NEVER a concern. It was accepted and used exactly as it was submitted, with no changes.

Wiltse told me that, if anything, his main problem (when initially writing the lesson plan) was to try to scale back his pro-Zionism, so that the lesson would not come off as preachy or propagandistic (as I said, he takes his job as a teacher very seriously, and, as a fellow historian, I agree that the classroom is no place for propaganda, from any perspective).

I had the benefit of listening to the audio of a speech about Islam that Mr. Wiltse gave at his church retreat in 2009. This man is a huge supporter of the Jewish state, and a huge foe of Islamist terror and hate. And this is, I believe, reflected in his lesson plan.

As he told me in a follow-up email after our talk, “I consider myself a non-Jewish Zionist (not the kind motivated by some interpretation of the Book of Revelation). It seems to me that Zionists are wise not to trust Christian/Islamic/secular governments. You never know when anti-Semitism in some form or other will raise its ugly head. Perhaps sometime in the (distant?) future that danger will disappear, but probably not anytime soon. Until at least then, Jews need a trustworthy place to live in or turn to when needed.”

The entire lesson plan can be read HERE. I believe Mr. Wiltse went out of his way to be balanced, but (and this is a big but) without EVER, not even once, advocating Sharia, denigrating Israel, or describing Islam as a “religion of peace.” I’m sorry, Ms. Geller, but he just didn’t do that.

Here are some choice excerpts (I have chosen to highlight several of his words and sentences in bold. The all-caps in parentheses are mine):


Because Islamic society is in a different state of development than Western society, conflicts naturally arise.

1. Countries of Western Civilization have secular governments, which means great toleration of cultural and religious differences.

2. Countries of Islamic Civilization for the most part either have religiously dominated governments or demands to make them more religious, which mean less toleration of cultural and religious differences.

3. Muslims often lack respect for Western traditions and points of view. The Muslim relationship to the West is colored by the belief that Western beliefs [whether Christian or atheist] are defective and therefore inferior to Islam.

From its early days, Islam reacted aggressively toward its civilized neighbors the Byzantines and the West. Muslim attacks against the West can be viewed as occurring in three waves:

1. The earliest wave broke against the Iberian Peninsula and across the Mediterranean. That finally ended in 1492 with the expulsion of the last Muslim power from the Iberian Peninsula.

2. The second wave occurred when Mongols attacked eastern Europe in the mid-1200s and converted to Islam ca. 1292. This wave ended in the 1500s with the reassertion of Russian rule.

3. The third wave built up when the Ottoman Turks, converted earlier to Islam, began to spread into southeast Europe.

a. Ottoman armies threatened Vienna in 1529 and 1683.

Modernity developed in the West and made the West so powerful that any civilization that did not imitate the West in this regard was at a extreme disadvantage. Modernism featured three characteristics:

1. High levels of technology, integrated into society, along with modern science.

2. The creation of much wealth, which, with technology, makes the state more powerful militarily.

3. An openness (in its most developed form called the Open Society by Karl Popper), which features tolerance, pluralism, and has a secular governance.

The failure of Islam to adopt modern ways and adapt them to Islamic values, put Islam at a great disadvantage when dealing with the West.

While Westerners studied Islamic culture, Muslims showed almost no interest in Western culture, remaining ignorant of modernity and its impact.

Muslims distinguish between modernization and Westernization primarily in that Westernization adds equal status for women.

Wiltse approvingly quotes from a Wall Street Journal op-ed, “Speaking Truth to Muslim Power,” by former CIA officer Reuel Marc Gerecht: “The Egyptian press has never been as free as when the British ruled over the Nile valley.”


The conflict continues because the West, and the United States specifically, support Israel (an outpost of Western Civilization surrounded by Islamic Civilization), which Muslims generally dislike or hate.

Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.

A small 1800s movement, Zionism, began seeking a Jewish-controlled state. After rejecting the island of Madagascar, Zionists settled on Palestine, the historic homeland of Jews until they were chased away by the Roman government in AD 70. At the time, Palestine was in the (Turkish Islamic) Ottoman Empire. The movement was not popular among European Jews, who had in the 1800s became increasingly accepted by fellow Europeans.

Since the end of World War One Palestine had been under the control of Great Britain, who at first welcomed the hardworking Jewish settlers. They made the most of the harsh conditions, bringing economic success to an area that had for a very long time been poor. Arab natives also welcomed the newcomers. But as the number of Jewish settlers increased and their economic success contrasted sharply with the economic backwardness of the Palestinian Arabs, the Arab attitude began to change.

The Holocaust convinced the survivors that they couldn’t trust non-Jews of Europe and more Jewish refugees began to flow into Palestine. The Arabs became alarmed (the arrival of many newcomers often upsets oldtimers). The British tried to block the new immigrants, but gave up in 1948. At that point Jewish leaders declared the creation of the state of Israel, a democratic state (in a region without democratic states). It was also a Western society in an Islamic region. Jewish citizens formed the majority, with a large minority of Muslims.

Immediately, all its Arab neighbors declared war on Israel. As a result of this war, the territory of Israel expanded somewhat, and many Arab citizens of Israel fled to a small corner of Israel called the Gaza Strip. The Arab states refused to admit these refugees, preferring them to stay there as a testimony to the evil of the Jewish state. They are still there. These Arabs began calling themselves Palestinians and demanding a state of their own.

Widespread Arab hatred of Jews (not just Israeli Jews) is fueled by lies spread by Arab media. An example is the belief that 9/11 was caused by Jews, who supposedly even warned fellow Jews working in the twin towers not to go to work that day.

Some Middle Eastern Islamic organizations are devoted to destroying Israel.

a. Al Fatah and Hamas in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

b. Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Hezbollah (Arabic: ‘party of God’) was founded in Lebanon in 1982, when Israel, for security purposes, occupied southern Lebanon. It wanted Israel out of Lebanon, a goal accomplished. It became powerful in the government of Lebanon. One of its goals is the destruction of Israel.

Fatah is a Palestinian Sunni secular political movement that lost control of the Gaza Strip due to its corruption. Its major enemy is Israel. It currently controls the West Bank.

Hamas is a radical Palestinian Sunni religious terrorist movement, opposed to the corruption within Fatah. Its major enemy is Israel. It currently controls the Gaza Strip.

Al-Qaeda represents both an internal and an external danger. Under the leadership of Osama bin Laden, it seeks to change the government of Saudi Arabia to a more conservative one and engage in violent activities against the United States and other countries.

The Taliban represents perhaps the first significant danger to the West, as they move into Pakistan and threaten the security of Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. This could far surpass any threat presented so far by Al-Qaeda.


There are two issues here. First, creating a concept that gives a group of people a name: every named group represents such a construct. It’s interesting, for instance, to see how the British colonists in North America (excluding those that came later to be called Canadians) came to see themselves as a group and therefore needing a name–Americans. “Palestinian” is merely one of the newest such conceptualizations. Second, the idea that every group that so identifies itself with a name should have its own government if it wants, can be at least partly traced back to Woodrow Wilson’s pernicious idea of “self-determination” that has encouraged so much divisiveness since (his Secretary of State warned him against announcing support for this concept). Of course that is not necessarily an argument against the formation of a Palestinian state, only that one should not assume that every named group should have its own government.

Wiltse condemns “the present regime in Iran, with its ruling clerics, its executions for blasphemy, its consecrated assassins,” adding “the theocracy (religious government) of Iran wants to export its ideas….Wahabbi influence fires terrorist acts against the United States and Europe. Shiite-controlled Iran finances and enervates many actions against Israel.”

In the eyes of Muslims, various explanations have been put forward for the decline of Islamic power relative to other, especially Western, power:

1. The Mongol incursions

2. Turkish Muslims weakening Arab Muslims.

3. Arab Muslims weakening Turkish Muslims.

4. Western Imperialism

5. The United States

6. The Jews

a. Nazi dissemination of anti-Semitic ideas influenced and continues to influence Middle-Eastern Muslims.

b. The victory of young Israel over five Arab states in 1948 stunned Arabs.

7. Islamic conservatives, who impede the move to modernity.

8. Islamic liberals, who impede the move back to the past.

a. The arch-enemy is the Turkish secularizer Kemal Atatürk, the Father of modern Turkey, who secularized the remains of the Ottoman Empire in 1923, eliminating Shari‘a law from the Turkish constitution and secularizing the new Turkish government.

Wahhabis such as al Qaeda are enemies not only of Western nations. The USA looms so large in their eyes because of its power. Even Muslim-friendly governments such as France and Britain are targets of Wahhabi hatred. They hate all forms of Islam that deviate from their beliefs.


It is the position in this outline that the problems Islamic Civilization has vis-a-vis the West is due to its failure to adopt modernity with its secular, tolerant, and pluralistic stance….Hatred of Israel and the West (especially the USA) colors Middle-Eastern Islamic views of conflict and incites conflict.

Islamic Civilization faced a new challenge with the arrival of Western explorers and expansionists with little success. At about the same time the West began to generate great power vis-a-vis other civilizations of the world because of the Western Renaissance and the subsequent development of modernization. To this increased power Islamic Civilization has so far failed to find an adequate response. Its challenge today remains the same (this is typical of civilizations in decline–they face the same challenges over and over): meet the power of the West by secularizing and modernizing, or by finding some other successful response to Western influence. (Empirically, a study of history shows that trying to return to a previously successful past has never before worked.)

It is difficult to separate Islam the religion from Islam the civilization, but those parts of Islam (the civilization) that have achieved a measure of success–such as Turkey and Indonesia–are exactly those regions where modernization has been to a degree accomplished–whatever the cost to the religion (none, little, or great, depending on one’s point of view). Whatever disruption the conservative terrorists accomplish, their ultimate goals, if the past is any guide, will not be achieved by such activities.


Would secularization and modernization solve Islam’s problems without damage to the Islamic faith?

Did secularization and modernization in the West damage Christianity?

How does fantasy in Muslims’ beliefs about the causes of their problems hurt Islam?

Does understanding Islam’s dilemma help in evaluating and reacting to Islamic terrorism?


Al Qaeda is certainly not a mainstream Muslim group — if it were, we would have had far more terrorist attacks since 9/11. But the ideology that produced al Qaeda isn’t a rivulet in contemporary Muslim thought. It is a wide and deep river. The Obama administration does both Muslims and non-Muslims an enormous disservice by pretending otherwise.

Theologically, Muslims are neither fragile nor frivolous. They have not become suicide bombers because non-Muslims have said something unkind; they have not refrained from becoming holy warriors because Westerners avoided the word ‘Islamic’ in describing Osama bin Laden and his allies. Having an American president who had a Muslim father, carries the name of the Prophet Muhammad’s grandson, and wants to engage the Muslim world in a spirit of ‘mutual respect’ isn’t a ‘game changer.’ This hypothesis trivializes Islamic history and the continuing appeal of religious militancy. To not talk about Islam when analyzing al Qaeda is like talking about the Crusades without mentioning Christianity.


And we’re upset that students in Texas are reading this…uh…why?

I’m not claiming that Mr. Wiltse’s lesson plan is perfect. Nor am I saying that Governor Perry doesn’t have legitimate problems that reasonable people will argue about in the months to come.

I came back from my blog-vacation for one reason, and one reason only: to kill the “Aga Khan/Rick Perry pro-Sharia school curriculum” myth.

You may leave your comments calling me a “dhimmi” in the comments section below.

144 Responses to “Debunking the Rick Perry “Pro-Sharia” School Curriculum Myth”
  1. Beth says:

    Thank you for this. I knew it was BS, and the fact it started with should have been a BIG red flag to people who call themselves conservative (duh!). It’s shameful it’s being passed around by people like Geller and others who are usually at the forefront of anti-Islamist news.

    • Pamela Kafir Farm says:

      It is NOT BS that he is schmoozing Muslims..clearly you do not understand TRUE ISLAM and their ways of deception..:) (It is called Taqiyya and Kitman look it up) Perry signed a LAW in TX in 2003 Making it illegal to sell halal meat without it being properly labeld..HB460 and that means he set TX up to ENFORCE SHARIA LAW because HALAL Meat is a SHARIA REQUIREMENT..AND There is already a TX Islamic COURT RICK PERRY signed an agreement with AGA KHAN whose headquarters is in KARACHI PALKISTAN no less..sending 180 school teachers to special training so they can teach about ISLAM in PUBLIC schools in TX….YOU DO THE MATH. IT IS RIGHT HERE ON THE OFFICIAL GOV OF TX WEBSITE…

    • kathi says:

      Thank you beth. I tried to point on the fact that is not the place to get any news, but suprisingly enough the people that would never, and I mean never, read, quote, or agree with anything coming from that puke site, are all of a sudden quoting and believing them. Stunning.

  2. Regardless what you think you’ve debunked here, Rick Perry is yet another Islamophile president wanna-be in a post 9/11 world. He has written that:

    “..the Islamic faith preaches peace, love and tolerance.”

    After Bush and Obama, the last thing we need in the white house is another fan of Islam who will not say and do what is necessary about the threat we face.

    • Linda says:

      better than what we have now and can beat Bramma…like the CHANGE Brammra brought to AMERICA??? HUGH?

      • Linda says:

        BRAMA is a FREAKIN MUSLIM and has spit in Israel’s face what and your poundin down on Perry? he’s a mile ahead of what in the White House right now!!! GET REAL!

        • stacie says:

          an obama jr is not better than obama. & alll the writing in post is based on one satire type take. I wouldencourage u all to look into this further. the truth is as it is. Perry beds with Iman Aga Khan..a very screy, rich, & worldly influencial dude. calls the world a “clash of Ignorance” t culture, Ignorance. Also touts to be more pwerful & more important than the POPE. Aga Khan University..research it. u will see my spoonfed children americans…or americas spoonfed children.

          • Phillip Burns says:

            Show some proof or you’re lying, brainwashed or BHP’s troll.

          • El Cid!* says:

            The Agha Khan is a honorable man. A man of peace and culture.
            Have you met him? Have you studied the work he is doing for peace and harmony around the world. Or are you just spouting from the kitchen sink?

    • Phillip Burns says:

      This article clearly debunks the love for Islam. Governor Perry is a honest American, born and raised in Texas. Served his country honorable in The United States Air Force, flying C-130s. The governor is in his THIRD TERM. The ONLY reason would selfish;y hold him back is because Texans lose a leader who loves Texas. Governor is the real deal and tells the truth and when he is wrong he says he is wrong. Seems this current administration has it’s trolls out everywhere, because the fake in chief is scared. Here are a couple more links that are pretty clear on the man.

  3. bteacher99 says:

    Yes, Gov. Perry wrote those words (or mostly likely did, since they appeared in an article on his official Governor’s website 9 days after the 9/11 attacks.) The editorials on that site that I read appear to be written in first person, by the governor.

    Does Gov. Perry still feel that way? The Q’uran is filled with contradictions; did he allow himself to be fooled in those terrifying, passionate days?

    Someone should ask Gov. Perry about this, so we do not just assume that what was written 10 years ago is still considered a heartfelt value.

    • El Cid!* says:

      I am interested in comparative religion. Specially in the Bible and the Quran.

      Could you please point me to “The Quran is filled with contradictions” such that I may have a head start in my quest…so far I have not found one in the Quran but a whole lot of them in the Bible. Please point me to the chapter and verse in the Quran where this information “filled with contradictions” may be found.

      And are you suggesting that the Governor is not a man of his word but of his whim? Are you suggesting that we should “live in fear and surrender our system of justice to lawless acts of vigilantes?”

      Are you one of those Christianist hatemonger “fanatics who seek to destroy us” he was warning us against? I ask because you sound so hateful.

      • Addy says:

        I am not sure what Koran you are “studying”, but you clearly have not read it and do not know anything about its history, or the contradictions would be obvious. Mohammad thought and tried to get people to believe that he was a prophet in his early years in Mecca. Prophets (whether real or imagined) are never particularly popular, and the people of Mecca would have killed him if he had not fled to Medina. He managed to amass an army (not peaceful disciples) while there and eventually returned to conquer Mecca. If you have actually tried to read the Koran, you would have discovered that the way it is organized makes no sense; it is not chronological or topical as a normal book. The suras are in fact arranged from longest to shortest. Thus, you don’t know when what was written. In fact, the early suras are the nice, peaceful ones that muslims like to quote to non-muslims. Those were written while Mohammad was concealing his true nature to try to save his neck in Mecca. The later suras are the violent ones, because they were written during the Medina period when Mohammad was robbing, raping, and killing, much as his followers do today. The contradictions are abundant, but the way muslims approach them is called “abrogation”, meaning that the later ones supersede the earlier ones. So, the lovey-dovey ones don’t count for a muslim, only the hating and killing ones. Of course, they don’t tell you this, because of another muslim approach to the truth is called taqiyya, or dissimulation, which basically means they can lie. Obviously there is a huge difference between islam and Christianity. In islam, the nice-nice stuff is abrogated by the demand to kill or enslave any non-muslims, along with all the horrible mutilations and killings that are prescribed for various offences. In Christianity, the harsh portions of the Old Testament are replaced with the New Covanent and Christ’s call to love your neighbor as yourself, which includes your enemies. There is no inconsistency in the New Testament. Please educate yourself both on Islam and on Christianity.

  4. Antimedia says:

    Bosch, if you think the West can defeat Islamic terror, you are a fool. Islamic terror will only be defeated when the majority of the followers of Islam utterly reject it. Anything we can do to encourage moderate Muslims to speak out, to share their views and to influence their fellow Muslims is helpful to the cause of ridding the world of the scourge of Islamic terror. Rick Perry should be commended for encouraging a dialog between moderate Muslims and Texans.

  5. Elljay - NJ says:

    There is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Those not buying into the jihad rewards are just as “infidel qualified” as any non-muslim. Hugs from me David Stein. Glad your girlfriend cut you a break to tell the truth! 😉

  6. edge says:

    No one could be called “Islamophobic” more than myself. But I have met the followers of Aga Khan on an airplane when they came to Tanzania (I was coming to do Christian evangelism training). The Islaimis are often called “the worldly Muslims”, as they explained to me. There is nothing in their appearance that would be different than any American or Western European (even multicolored hair, and one of the shades was purple!). While we completely disagree theologically, they are cheerful, fun, nice people. We kiddingly worked on converting each other. But to think for 1 second that these people were Sharia-loving would be a total joke. They know they would have to change all their appearance, habits and even sexual practices. They are about as dangerous as Pope Benedict would be. Bosch, you’re simply betraying your ignorance here.

    • El Cid!* says:

      “They are about as dangerous as Pope Benedict would be”. Really? Could it be that you also are betraying your ignorance here?

      Pope Benedict XVI is about as dangerous as you can get – a verified Nazi. In 1981 as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was made the Grand Inquisitor, head of the ‘Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith’ [ A sanitized title for the seven century old Inquisition ] till he was elected Pope in 2005…lets not even refer to him as the resolute defender and protector of repeat child rapists and sex offers as that title may be offensive to some.

      Further, Ratzinger has said that “Revelation terminated with Jesus Christ” conveniently forgetting that Jesus was deified by ballot, voting at the Council of Nicaea, A.D.325 [ After significant arm twisting and buying of votes by Roman Emperor Constantine, the divinity of Jesus was made official dogma by a vote of 217 to 3; the three dissenters were subsequently exiled and their property confiscated as Jesus became a diety].

      Ratzinger considers the Church divine,dismissing those, even theologians, who point out that the Church is man made and has created its theology by putting ideas to votes on a regular basis. With his statement that “Church is divine…bearer of faith and does not sin” Pope Benedict demonstrates dogmatic public relations spinning and propaganda.

      And history is clearly not Pope Benedict’s strong point when he pontificates that the Church provides the only path to truth – a path built up through a desire for power, lust and control – a path drenched with innocent blood, and lined with humiliation and roasting of women, betrayal, avarice and death of untold millions.

      As ‘Grand Inquisitor’, [heir to the seven year old institution of The Inquisition], Prefect of the now titled ‘Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith’ Ratzinger covered the theological lacunae left by the opening of tolerance and new liberty of thought left by John XXII and John Paul I. And together with the Opes Dei moved against the faction of the Church in South America practicing ‘The theology of Liberation and Progress’. In this Ratzinger’s ‘silent’ campaign more than fifty Brazilian bishops were replaced. And ‘Inquisition Inspectors’ were sent from Rome to Brazil to control teaching and discipline in the Latin Church.

      Pope Benedict AKA Joseph Ratzinger is as dangerous as can be! Christians think of him as ‘infallible’ a representative of Jesus and heir to Peter, and look the other way as he goes his satanic ways.

      • TruthWFree says:

        El Cid,

        Read the Gospels and you will find they support Jesus’ Divinity…”I am One with the Father”, and “you have seen me. you have seen the Father”. Also he asked Peter in the Gospels who did Peter think he is. Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God”. Jesus answered that “this has been revealed to you not by man but by God”. Jesus witnessed miracles were countless.
        No need to attack the Pope and the Catholic Church. Take a hard look at the false religion of Islam. Full of hate, no witnessed miracles by Muhammad, lying (taqiyya) and killing is allowed. One cannot trust a Muslim knowing lying is sanctioned by Muhammad and Allah. Eternal fighting and killing. Jesus said Satan is the father of lies. Jesus spoke of false prophets, “You will know them by their fruits”. The fruit of Muhammad is Islam and its bloody trail of conquest and subjugation in the name of allah.

  7. Truly appreciate your taking the time to research this topic so thoroughly – looks like most others have not done so. It’s a relief to know there actually are Islamic moderates in the world, and it’s especially reassuring that the author of this curriculum, Ronald Wiltse, is a supporter of Israel. It appears that Mr. Wiltse did an outstanding job of keeping the subject matter strictly factual and not allowing his own bias to enter into it. You’ve done us all, and Rick Perry, a great service by writing this piece. THANK YOU.

  8. Marty says:

    Thank you very much for this report. The one lingering question I have is why Hamas is so gushing over Perry’s candidacy?

  9. AA says:

    I am one of the Ismaili Muslim (the flock of Aga Khan) and as much as I grudgingly accept what @Edge says above to be true, here I would like to recommend that you guys (the author and the article seems far more balanced than what I have read everywhere else from emotional right-wing bloggers) pay attention to what Richard W. Bulliet has said in his The Case for Islamo-Christian Civilization. Written prior to 911, it touches upon. This suggestion came to mind as I read what @antimedia said above: “Islamic terror will only be defeated when the majority of the followers of Islam utterly reject it.”

    Anyways, on the topic itself. Thanks for the research, though you are unnecessarily associating Aga Khan Foundation (which is a non-denominational development agency of Aga Khan Development Network – the parent organization) to the cause of Israel, because there is no association. Aga Khan and his organizations are apolitical. They serve the under-developed and developing countries where his followers live (ultimately helping the broad societies). To get a feel of the latest from him, take a look at this interview from Africa:

    • Jennifer says:

      AA says:
      August 16, 2011 at 1:37 pm
      “Thanks for the research, though you are unnecessarily associating Aga Khan Foundation (which is a non-denominational development agency of Aga Khan Development Network – the parent organization) to the cause of Israel, because there is no association.”

      And there never will be…will there?? You will never side for Israel will you? You would never denounce Hamas would you? Please, type it here for the entire world to see.

      • AA says:

        Why the hell do I side with Israel, do they need my side? I am not Israeli nor do I live near them. And last I checked, it is a democracy with working government and no famine or floods. Do they need my side? I don’t think so.

        Same goes for Hamas. Why the heck should I denounce them? I have no relationship.

        Be your own guest if you want to discuss unrelated matters, I am not going to reply to matters which are not related under the thread.

  10. Abram says:

    Governor Perry’s approach to educating Texas children about Islam could be seen as an olive branc withe the one sect of Islam that actually seeks a peaceful solution to the differences between cultures. Regardles, a few million out of several billion is paramount to endorsing the Qur’an and Sharia law.

    Add to this already infamed area of our walks of life normall left unscathed by outside ifluences.the result can be overpowerning.

    • El Cid!* says:

      Unfortunately unknown to you, Jefferson has already secretly endrosed the Shariah and stealthly introduced it into the US Constitution and made it the law of the land…at the same time rejecting the irrationality of the Bible.

      And amending and editing a new version of the Bible more in line with the rational Quran – The Jeffersonion Bible.

      And Jefferson took special umbrage to Paul. And Jesus was not divine to his understanding…a concept central to the Quran – Allah is Absolute. One. None is comparable ti Allah, the Most forgiving and Merciful!

      Further, obviously also unknown to you, Jefferson always kept a copy of the Quran, and consulted it, while working on the Constitution.

      So the Quran and Shariah Law has long be the guiding light incorporated into the US Constitution – this thesis can be easly verified by any one by reading the Quran, the Bible and the US Constitution and comparing them. [Example: The God given right of life, liberty, equity, pursuit of happyness, and the right to bear arms are fundamental to the Quran, Sharia Law, and the Last Sermon (Fatwa) of Prophet Muhammand.

      • TruthWFree says:

        El Cid,
        Jefferson had the Quran so as to understand his enemy, the Barbary Muslim Pirates who claimed to have allah’s blessing to attack infidel shipping (like the Somalia pirates).
        Your Sharia Law is diametrically opposed to the freedoms granted by Our US Constitution.
        You statements above are laughable. Only ignorant persons would believe there is any truth in them.
        Get your taqiyya (lying to futher Islam) out of this post. As Muhammad said, “War is deceit” and you are a fine student of the robbing, murdering, raping, lying, pedophile false prophet.

  11. xdreamartist says:

    You hate mongers crack me up. 90,000 women are raped every year in “Christian” America, should China bomb us for “humanitarian” purposes? Rick Perry is another neo-con warmonger. Another crook and a liar. You should all wake up that the US and Israel are the real terrorists of the world. But you won’t, and I’ll continue to laugh at your bigoted nonsense. As an ex serviceman who served his country, and a proud Republican; a true republican, not a phony nutcase neo-con/lib that you all seem to be, it saddens me that all of you are so blind. Crazy bastards.

    • Winghunter says:

      Don’t look now but, the ‘crazy bastards’ are taking back our country. Get in our way, PLEASE.

    • StanB says:

      xdreamartist, you crack me up, hundreds of thousands of muslim women are more then RAPED they are beheaded stoned to death hands cut off etc etc these same muslins murdered 3000 americans 9/11 it’s a shame you weren’t one of them.. I’m a christian and proud of it, I’m also a veteran 10yrs in the USAF, your an exserviceman in what country ?? China, Russia, NKorea How dare you call the USA & Israel Terrorist your a communist bum just like OBUMMBO is, Perry is a BILDERBERG Globalist commie, a lair, and a phony 81% of mosques in USA train Islamic muslim terrorist your not a REPUB your a bird brain jerk, that should have UR ASS kicked out of this country, all of us are so blind, listen U moron U better get some glasses cause U cann’t see SH$T, do us a favor move to the UK, or China U don’t belong in the greatest nation in the world sonny boy..

    • gullah says:

      Yes xdream that is true. Rape is always evil and always wrong, no matter who does it. The difference is in our country we don’t MURDER our daughters when they are raped. We seek justice for them. It is against the law in this county. It is divinely sanctioned in the Koran.
      Did you know that the majority of women in prison in muslim lands are in jail because they were raped?

      • El Cid!* says:

        “It is divinely sanctioned in the Koran”. Really?

        I have read the Koran. Unless you are an ignorant Christian or are deliberately ‘Lying for Jesus’ please point me to the passage where you say it is divinely sanctioned in the Koran that:

        “…we don’t MURDER our daughters when they are raped. We seek justice for them. It is against the law in this county. It is divinely sanctioned in the Koran”

        I am amused at your statement because while murder is strictly prohibited, and killing is generally prohibited except for an invader in war, the killing of daughters is SPECIFICALLY prohibited, by word and verse, in the Quran.

        I am not a betting man but I will wager my life, [you can legally shoot me in front of a US Sheriff], against your life, if you can show me in front of a US Judge that what you state, “MURDERING daughters”, as “divinely sanctioned in the Koran” is in fact true.

        Well Christian man are you just lying for Jesus and spreading lies and impugning the Noble Koran or have you faith enough in your man-god Jesus Christ and in your manhood to back up your Christian tongue. Or you just talk the talk but can’t walk the walk. Show me the passage in the Koran,or meet me in a legal avenue were this tryst can be formally arranged.

        You Christians have nothing but lies to backup your magical false beliefs. And cowards to boot. Now make your move. A Life against a life…all legal and formally arranged.

        The Challenge is made. Make your move Christian man…Truth awaits!

        [PS: By the way way did you know that the highest incarceration, murder rate, rape rate, child rape and murder/ sucide rate, all per capita in the world are in the Christian world.

        Bible Belt and the US is way up there even among these christian countries…The lowest rates, some of these crimes are practically non existent in Muslim majority countries…and almost don’t exist in Shariah Compliant States.

        Do some real travelling; not the pseudo stuff – key boarding hatemonger web sites on the internet and thinking you are getting the truth – you only get disinformation and spin.]

        • TruthWFree says:

          El Cid,
          Lying (taqiyya) was sanctioned by Muhammad. Your Quran says that Jesus was not the son of allah and that he did not die on the cross. No, Jesus is the Son of the God of Abraham, not allah. He says so in the Gospels. Jesus did die on the cross, witnessed by many and attested to in the Gospels.
          Jesus did say that Satan is the father of lies. Your Quran lies about Jesus not dying on the cross and speaks against Jesus divinity, plus the concept of taqiyya (lying).
          Your religion/ideology is FALSE. Allah is full of hate. The God of Abraham and the Father of Jesus is kind and compassionate to those that love him. Leave your false religion…yes, I know, your blood thirsty co religionists are exhorted to kill you for apostacy. What an evil religion!

    • ProudKafir says:

      xdreamartist, how many of those 90,000+ rapes were motivated by Christian theology? Does the fact that all Western nations consider rape a very serious crime not tell you something about the social acceptability of rape? Do you have a functioning cerebrum, or do you just spout whatever moral equivalence nonsense comes into your vapid little head?

    • Icy says:

      Sad you have to resort to insults and name calling. I will vote for Rick Perry over our current dictator in chief any day. The man isn’t even an American. He needs to go back to Kenya and rule over some little tribe of monkeys.

    • Kristen McFarland says:

      Excuse me, but what are doing but calling conservatives names and other hate-mongering things…I call that a serious case of projection (a psychological term)..which means you’re just as racist, sexist, homophobic and bigoted as you claim people who choose to discuss dysfunctional behavior as you accuse them of..unbelievable…a paean to the towering jewel of ignorance represented by you…good luck to you…

    • lotus says:

      I don’t know who you are or if you REALLY served THIS COUNTRY and are a REPUBLICAN?? but if you are as unhappy with the U.S. you a free in this country to move to the middle east and live under Islam law. Why don’t you just do that and then you can complain how women are treated there. I would LOVE to see you move to the middle east and live under Shr___ law.

  12. xdreamartist says:

    And how you buy the lie of the “ground zero mosque” is hilarious!!!! It wasn’t a mosque and it wasn’t on ground zero. But you, ironically, saying that salon is lying, yet you have no problem lying yourself. What a joke. Hey, wasn’t that psycho in Norway a right wing christian? Yes he was. So therefore, according to your logic, Christians shouldn’t be allowed to have any children in their schools, or churches, or even permission to build them. Israel commits genocide on Palestinians, and no one says a word about that. I say they shouldn’t be allowed to build synagogues in America. But OHHHHhhhh… that would be anti-semitic, right? Well, Palestinians are semitic too. Idiot.

    • alopeks says:

      Did you actually look into the Norway Terrorist’s admitted motives? He himself said that “Christian” only meant “western” in his usage. He also railed against Catholics, various Protestant denominations, and evil greedy capitalists. He was (is) a Socialist nutjob, as the VAST VAST majority of non-Muslim terrorists are, and always have been. Right-wingers (in America) believe in the rule of law, limited government, and free enterprise. “Right-wing” in Europe means “My Country First–WHERE’S MY WELFARE CHECK?!”

      Xdreamartist, your ignorance is showing.


      • El Cid!* says:

        The Norway killer did considers him self a Christian Crusader. He has said so and has demonstrated so.

        He has a professional quality video in which he shows a long list of Crusader and Templer knights in full color and armour as Crusader music plays, a text description accompanies the picture of each Christian knight and king. In the end of his video he takes a pose of himself in the stance of a Christian knight, but heavly armed with modern weaponery.

        In my opinion he demonstrats a resolute purpose and intelligence; he knows that he will not face the death penality, infact he will get about 3 to 4 months for each murder, mostly of muslim kids who have little to value in western eyes. If it was another ethnic group…

        He lists the various various ChristoFachist Zoinist propaganda and islamophobe web sites as his inspiration. It appears that he also went to Israel for indoctrination.

        The only thing that he fails to mention in his written manifesto or video is that each of his Templar knights and Crusader kings were defeated in the field of battle or surrendered their swords, armour, and liberty at Muslim feet or ebbed their life blood under the Saracen blade.

        Each one of his Christian soldiers met death, defeat and surrender at the hands of Muslim warriors who magnanimously allowed the survivors to return back home with their tails between their legs.

        It took Muslims two hundred years,a thousand years ago, to vanquish the invading crusaders…it will not that long this time!

    • gullah says:

      It is at Ground Zero. The landing gear of one of the planes land inside that building.
      Churches have basketball courts, meeting rooms, etc. They are still a church.
      This mosque would overlook Ground Zero. I have been there, it is just a block from Ground Zero. It would have a direct line of view to Ground Zero.

    • gullah says:

      Israel does not commit genocide against the Palestinians. They only shoot back at the Palestinians AFTER the Palestinians shoot first. Are you aware that the Palestinians fired rockets into Israel for 7 years before Israel finally fired back?
      Did you know that until about 40 years ago the Palestinians didn’t want to be called Palestinians because it was viewed as being Jewish?
      They never wanted their own state.
      If the Palestinians never fired on Israel again, THAT would be the END of the violence.

      What the Palestinians are doing is JIHAD pure and simple. They are trying to destroy Israel. It is Jordan that took the Palestinians land.


    • ProudKafir says:

      xdreamartist, you’re one thoroughly brainwashed little lefty follower aren’t you?

    • lotus says:


    • lotus says:

      Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. Why are they hated so o badly by their neighbors. All they want is to live in peace – which the Palistinians no NOTHING ABOUT.

  13. Anony Mouse says:

    Some of the material that has been circulating in the media has been amusing at one level, but not so funny on another. The Aga Khan is certainly worthy of investigation, but perhaps a surprise to some, what you’ll discover is a very positive role model. As a starting point, I highly recommend reading the Aga Khan’s Baccalaureate Address at Brown University in 1996. It was Brown University’s 232nd baccalaureate service and was held in the First Baptist Church in America at Rhode Island. The Aga Khan was the first Muslim to deliver the Baccalaureate Address in Brown University’s history.

    Introduction by President Vartan Gregorian:

    Baccalaureate Address by the Aga Khan:

    While there is much more to be said, I will suggest a short video clip of the current Canadian Prime Minister at the opening of the Aga Khan’s Delegation in Ottawa, Canada in December 2008 (be patient – he switches between English and French, covering virtually the entire speech in both languages):

    Would love thoughtful comments.

  14. Abdul Ameer says:

    Excellent! Many thanks! The lesson plan is not bad at all, although it utterly neglects Islam’s sacred texts as well as the writings of the most respected Islamic religious authorities. Those are the sources of the river of aggressive Islamic ideology. It would be good for the students to know something about the sources of that ideology.

    Also neglected is the “stealth jihad” which the students should also be aware of.

    Finally, although the lesson plan is basically good, do we have any evidence that young people are really being taught about Islam on the basis of this lesson plan? If so, in which schools? And, who trains the teachers to use this lesson plan?

    • opar5 says:

      “Moderate Muslim”? Is that within Sunna or not. If not, it’s not a Muslim, but a hypocrite – and Islam has ways of dealing with hypocrites. Notice how so many “moderate” Muslims are involved in “honor killings” – after some other Muslim notices and tells the parent how Westernized the child is becoming. That translates to,”you deal with the wayward kid or we’ll deal with you both.” If a Muslim, preparing for jihad or fleeing the law asks for sanctuary in a “moderate” Muslim’s home, will he be turned in, turned away – or will he fail to provide money if asked? If he does not leave his home to accomplish Allah’s goals, does he also not contribute money toward those goals? Whatever the facade, a Muslim is a Muslim and must obey and imitate Mohammed in all things for all time – as he or his authority figure/leader understands it – or very likely be killed himself!

  15. Andy Ray says:

    More than likely, Perry’s heart was in the right place. That said….

    The problem is, he is just not educated enough about the issue to realize that his good intentions won’t amount to a “hill of beans”. Why? Because as “moderate” Muslim Dr. Zudi Jasser says, “The moderates don’t have a platform”. In the end analysis, all “moderates” (apostates) will be irrelevant. The Trilogy plainly tells the Muslim exactly what they must do. Conquer and dominate the entire earth until “religion is for Allah only”. So, you either do that and you are a good Muslim, or you don’t do that and you are an apostate. Got it?

    Perry has just become another “tool” of the devout(not radical) Muslims just like the morons promoting Chrislam in churches. The bottom line is: Texas will now teach children Islam; good or bad, students are getting a constant diet of Islam Islam, Islam everywhere they turn.

    To Governor Perry: study your enemy and learn when your well-intended actions are simply enabling and furthering their annihilation agenda. Please do this before you assume power over all of us poor souls that are facing down the stealth Jihad in America all alone while our government promotes Shariah law at breakneck speed.

  16. Winghunter says:

    First, Perry’s policies towards Mexico would have our country lost long before Muslims could do anything about it: Trans-Texas Corridor and Dream Act

    ‘Islam is not a religion. It is a form of government that uses its religious component as a mechanism for control.’ – Dr. Peter Hammond from “What Islam Isn’t”

    Islam, peaceful Islam, is about destruction of all Kafir civilization

    “Islamism is not a movement to be engaged, it is an enemy to be defeated.”

    Islam: The Religion of Peace ( And A Whole Bunch of Dead Bodies)

    Former Muslim Speaks Out

    Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination! by Dr. Don Boys

  17. Linda B. says:

    And Rick Perry said this of Islam, [Rick Perry] considers Sharia Law a “non-existent” threat drummed up for partisan reasons. Sharia is a cultural underpinning, not a codified edict; Muslims end up having to defend it because efforts to limit Sharia stomp on their First Amendment rights.”

    “It’s a red herring, it’s a non-issue,” Perry said. “The idea people have conjured up that Muslims are trying to overtake our constitution is the biggest lie ever told.”

    If Perry is for or against Sharia Law, it is a question that should be asked again and again of him. Ask people in his campaign organization who know Perry best; THEN come back and tell us that Perry does not support Islam. I think he does and will continue to think so with all the written articles about him out there, UNTIL HE speaks up and says that he does NOT recognize Islam as a religion, does NOT support Sharia Law in the USA or any of its factions; and WILL NOT support any Muslim in a public office!

  18. Connie says:

    The eloquence in the writer’s POV taught me much. But he omitted a decisive point: all Muslims, Shia and Sunni alike, read the same Qur’an! The book does not differentiate between Shia and Sunni but commands all Muslims to make no friends with infidels, to convert or destroy Jews and Christians, and, in short, obey the commands of Mohammed or be considered an apostate.

  19. Papi says:

    Spencer: In all this my friend Timothy Furnish, whose work I admire, is entirely correct. That is why I am always careful to say that there is no “mainstream” sect of Islam, or one that is generally recognized as orthodox by Muslim sects in general, that does not teach the necessity to make war against and subjugate unbelievers. But I am not sure that the existence of Muslims who are generally considered heretics and persecuted for their heresy, which often consists precisely of their rejection or reconstitution of the jihad doctrine, constitutes the existence of a “moderate Islam” upon which Westerners should place any hope. The likelihood that these groups are going to stop being persecuted minorities and eventually attain mainstream status without abjuring exactly the elements of their beliefs that make them appealing to Westerners is slim at best.

  20. Fr. Jim Rosselli says:

    Okay, you’re a dhimmi. That was, of course, a courteous response to your invitation,
    and anyone who believes it is probably a dummy.

    Thank you for your enlightening article. With your permission, I will direct people to it.

    As an aside, I can’t believe that anyone in his right mind would find an article printed in a Salon Magazine affiliate, credible.


    Fr. Jim+

  21. Diane says:

    I am a member of Act!forAmerica and am concerned about ‘creeping sharia’ and the fact that in Dallas we recently had a fund raiser sponsored by the Islam Center of North America wherein the guest speaker was Dr. Tauriq Ramadan whose grandfather was the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood and Dr. Ramadan was at this function to promote and secure funds to lobby for Sharia law in Texas. We are not impressed with President Obama’s recent Ramadan dinner at the White House wherein his speech is self-explanatory – as a great article about this Ramadan dinner was critiqued by Geller…however, when the ali Kahn states IN WRITING that he supports the State of Israel’s right to exist, when he states IN WRITING full accord with the US Congress’ 2002 declaration that Jerusalem is indeed the capitol of Israel and when Obama receives a notice from Khan to place the US Embassy in Jerusalem, and when the Khan has a fund raiser at his mosque for gilad Shalit and all the victims of terrorism…maybe, I’ll be more inclined to see why Governor Perry finds this man such a good ‘friend’…..anI’d also like to know if his mosque has purchased Israel Bonds….That’s just for starters…otherwise, I think Perry is a grand guy..but, he needs to TAKE THE COURSE FROM BRIDGET GABRIEL!

  22. Dee says:

    none of that explains why texas has the only judicially acknowledged “islamic arbitration court” in the entire country. once i get an answer for that, i will make my decision as to whether i want to hear more from mr perry.

  23. Artist Poet says:

    This article fails to answer 2 fundamental questions. (1) Why, exactly, was a course specifically on Islam needed in public schools at all? Is there a course on Christianity, on Judaism, on Buddhism, on Hinduism, on Sikhism, on atheism? The writer is extremely naive. Of course Muslims are happy to accept it as it is – right now. It introduces a place for a course on Islam into public schools, and it gets students thinking about Islam. But don’t think that in a few years Islamist organizations like CAIR won’t be saying the course is derogatory towards Muslims and Islamophobic and needs to be re-written by a Muslim from a less Western-biased point of view. And don’t think they won’t use this as a starting point to get pro-Islamic curricula in the schools of other states as well. You can count on it. They will. They have long term strategies. They’re not easily fooled like the writer is. They know what they are doing. (2) Why, if this is so wonderful for the West, and so bad for Islamist goals, do CAIR – which has been clearly established to be a front for the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas – LOVE Rick Perry? Because he is helping them. He may not see long term; but don’t worry, they do.

  24. Artist Poet says:

    By the way, it is Robert Spencer who posted Pamela Geller’s article on his own site, They work together.

  25. Sara says:

    This is not a slam dunk (as in ‘debunked’). I note red flags with the history actually of the Jews and the Palestinians. The blog is interesting in that it illustrated that there are gradiations to Islam, afterall (Robert Spencer agreed; so that was news to me, that there are gradiations to consider). Still, why aren’t we seeing these “moderate” Muslims denouncing the violence? And, hey Perry, where’s my Korean history?? Overall, with Grover Norquist looming around Perry, better to lean towards caution. Nothing is cut and dry, and that certainly applies to this blog post. With all due respect, I think he could have enjoyed another day of vacation!

  26. Steve Flynn says:

    Thank you. I am not from Texas but from Louisiana. My wife’s family is from Texas and are pro-Perry. I like him also and found the accusations strange to say the least. I am glad that you have given me ammunition to use against the ignorant fanatics that are trying to destroy his candidacy and the Republican party. I am sure he will have enough issues to defend in the coming months without one as bullshit as this one.

  27. Artist Poet says:

    There is one recognized Islamic/Sharia Court in the USA. Whose state is it in? Rick Perry’s.

  28. I find it highly amusing that folks would point to the “scary” fact that all Muslims have but one Qur’an to read (and so cannot REALLY be moderate), while totally ignoring that Christians, who likewise all read the same Bible, are so divergent in their interpretations of it. And how many actually live by the Bible? There are more of us than there are of Muslims. Get it? Of course, so-called Christian Dominionists (who push theocracy) are an almost-mythic and tiny cult of blowhards, while Islamic extremists really do behead people and blow themselves and others up in the name of Allah. The dunderheads reporting the news today also conflate those two points. Heck, they’re just as likely to call Perry a Dominonist tomorrow as they are a Sharia-facilitator today.

  29. Liz says:

    sorry I meant New

  30. Brad Brzezinski says:

    I admire Pam Geller for her energy and some of the excellent work she has done. Nonetheless her blog is not on my regular route because she is unfortunately given to exaggeration and I like my sources of information to be dead reliable.

  31. gullah says:

    He supports in state tuition for illegals. NONSTARTER for me.
    We don’t think Perry is a stealth jihadist. We think he is like Bush…naive when it comes to Islam and shariah law.

    Robert Spencer has a good article today on Human Events on this.

  32. plumberswife says:

    Just want to thank you, Mr. Dhimmie,(ha)for providing this information, it is, at the very least balance to the hyperbole being spread far and wide by those who feel threatened by a Perry Presidency. I will be posting it to my Face Book page as I have with the other rebuttals to the false and misleading charges made against him.
    Rick Perry is the longest serving Governor the state of Tx. has ever had and from what I know of Texans, he could not be the person his detractors make him out to be and still be elected in the state. I have read that he has been charged with not only being gay but of also being a homophobe! People!!! he would have to hate himself if that were true!stop believing all this crap and go find the facts. The Governor has a small town America, Christian upbringing, served in the USAF, boy scouts, married his HS sweetheart…yet people would have us believe he is an anti American, pro globalist/sharia lover….with no proof or evidence!

  33. gullah says:

    Also, if this muslim sect rejects the violence of Mohammad, why are they still muslims? It’s like saying you are a Christian, but you reject the teachings of Christ.

    TAQIYYA is deceit in order to advance Islam. It is basic Islamic doctrine. All muslims are taught they are not to be friends with the infidel, but to pretend to be our friend. I would also like to note that muslims curse us everytime they pray. Does this “peaceful” sect curse us too?

    Islam is not a First Amendment issue. It is an article 6 issue which states that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Muslims want to replace our Constitution with Shariah law. That is sedition.

    The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Our Founding Fathers never imagined we would allow for Islamic immigration. John Adams said our Constitution would only work for moral and religious people.

    Again, if this sect rejects the teachings of Mohammed, why are they still muslims?

    • Zane says:

      Gullah, the Ismaili sect rejects the violence of the Qu’ran, just as modern day Jews reject the violence contained in the Old Testament. Would you advise Christians to lop off the ear, as one of the apostles did, of all those that threaten us?

      Why do you think Osama bin Laden was called a “fundalmentalist” Muslim?

      • gullah says:

        That’s great they reject the violence. Do they reject the Shariah too?

      • Jennifer says:

        The ear was lopped off in the New Testament as an apostle was trying to protect Jesus from the soldiers when they came to crucify Him – which Jews do not accept. Would you protect your loved one? Christians follow the teachings of Jesus, the Christ who NEVER advocated any form of violence. The muslim is against Christ as the Son of God (that would make them anti-Christ) and DO advocate violence, lying, and rape, just to name a few. They will kill their loved ones to protect their honor. There is no Old Testament and New Testament in the Quran – there is only one and ALL muslims use the same quran. The words are recited by ALL muslims.

      • TruthWFree says:

        As Jennifer says, the apostle that lopped off the ear of the servant of the high priest was trying to protect Jesus, however, what did Jesus say? He said, “Put your sword away. Who ever lives by the sword dies by the sword” and then he healed the man’s ear. Hardly a violent Christian teaching…it is a teaching against violence.
        Gullah asks the question, “Why are they still Muslims” (if they reject the violence in the Quran…many, many verses). It is supposed to be the word of Allah to a Muslim. I think maybe they are practising taqiyya (lying to the infidel). If I disagreed with half or more of the Gospels, I could hardly call myself a Christian. BTW, I believe and try to follow every statement Christ made in the Gospels…yes I fall short on some, but I hurt no one but myself.

  34. Just linked to you and quoted a bit on my blog. Thank you for this work.

  35. Jerome Roth says:

    I’ve read this entire article of debunking, and I’ve come away with one thing. It doesn’t debunk anything, and it certainly doesn’t prove that Rick Perry is not an enabler of Islam in America, quite the contrary. It does prove that the school curricula is mostly truthful regarding Islam and Muslims, and that’s well and good. However, we all know that it is condoned and encouraged for Muslims to lie to us non-believers, Infidels, if you will. I have a very tough time getting by that aspect. If you are Muslim, and you follow the teachings of Muhammad through the Koran (Qur’an), then you are subjected to Sharia as the first and foremost authority in your life. Islam is all encompassing. A “moderate” regardless of what he/she calls themselves are simply jihadi’s waiting for the fatwa. This article debunks nothing.

    • Zane says:

      Then you should be made fully aware that this whole dust-up came from a press release by CAIR, the source of Elliot’s Salon article. Since you know about taqaiyya and kitman, then you have to question the purpose behind the CAIR press release. Did CAIR have an ultimate goal in trying to provide red meat to those anti-Sha’ria bloggers and those who are Islamist apologists who are far left and who ignore the threat posed by the Muslim Brotherhood?

      Could it be that CAIR was trying to discredit a man who has clearly shown his friendship with Israel? And yes, to the person who asked, there are many classes on Christianity, and other religions, in Texas universities. But to imply that Perry promoted the teaching of Islam studies in our elementary schools is just flat out wrong because it seems that we, who sit on school boards, did not get the memo.

      This program affects 15,000 students in ten districts? Are those community college students? My own district has over 16,000 students. With over 600,000 Muslims in Texas, are those districts with a strong Muslim population?

      One of the complaints about Perry by the Texas Dems was that he tried to stack the Texas Board of Education with evangelical Christians. You can’t have it both ways. Either Perry promotes Christianity (as the left claims) or he promotes Islam. But somewhere you have to choose.

    • gullah says:

      I agree with you Jerome. His whole “debunking” is that Pamela linked to Salon. Ridiculous. Pamela has another good article today explaining this muslim’s ties.

  36. Zane says:

    I have been reading the hysteria that is permeating all over the web on this controvery. I first read about it in Pam Geller’s article. So I visited Geller’s website and found something very odd. After Geller put the article on her own website, the bottom line of her entry was a rah-rah for Sarah Palin. Why would she give a shout-out for Palin in what was obviously a hit piece on Perry? And the point is well taken that Geller, who would NEVER use a far left Salon piece, now relies on Salon’s creditibility.

    And all this bunk that Perry will force Sha’ria law on Texans shows only that they don’t know squat about Texans. Texans are NOT forced to do anything they don’t want to do.

    I also found something odd in all these hysterical webblogs claiming Perry is pro-Islamist: not one of them mentioned that Shurat HaDin, the organization that takes legal action to protect Jews, and Israel, requested that Governor Perry intervene with the Department of Justice to block the Gaza flotillas, being supported by Obama’s good friends, William Ayers and his wife, Bernadette Dohrn. Did Shurat HaDin request that from any of the other GOP candidates who perhaps had more power in D.C. than a state governor? No, but Perry requested that Eric Holder prosecute, to the full extend of our federal law, those Americans who were facilitating the Gaza flotillas. Did it do any good? No, because we currently have Islamist apologists filling the White House.

    I also never saw on any of these hit pieces, now flooding the web from pro-Jewish, pro-Israel websites, the mention that Frank Gaffney’s group came out in support of Rick Perry. Dave Reaboi, of the Center for Security Policy, emailed Commentary Magazine, the most pro-Jewish, pro-Israel publication in the U.S., dismissing Justin Elliot’s Salon article. “As Salon’s in-house apologist for Islamism and crusader against conservatives, Justin Elliot clearly believed such a story, breathlessly told, would cause a great deal of friction between the Texas governor and the GOP base–who are rightfully concerned about the anti-Constitutional aspects of Shariah law in our own country, and are watching as Shariah is the rallying-cry of jihadists around the globe.” The entire context can be found at Commentary.

    I have to say that I appreciate David Stein’s diligent research into this issue. It shows that at least with Mr. Stein, a cooler head has prevailed. The ironic part of all of this is that until this whole dust-up hit the web, the biggest criticism of Rick Perry was that he was too “Christian.” Now he is being accused of being a “friend, pal” of someone considered an Islamist by those who do not want to see a President Perry and would obviously perfer a President Palin. Where I come from, friends and pals are the people you have dinner with, throw bar-b-ques and invite them to and drink margaritas with. They are NOT people you give a speech for, or appear on a stage with.

    • Gaffney’s support of Perry says a lot.

      • Zane says:

        In all transparency, Gaffney was not the one who supported Perry’s assoication with Aga Khan, It was David Reaboi, who is a member of Gaffney’s group, The Center for Security Policy. But I would think that if Gaffney had a different opinion, he would not have allowed Reaboi to do that.

  37. mrteachersir says:

    One glaring fallacy that stood out at me in post:

    The Vatican did not force Jews to convert to Christianity. The Spanish Inquisition was not the tool of the Vatican, but rather the Spanish Crown. Ferdinand was the first of the European monarchs to use ecclesial power to consolidate his rule over his people…he set the stage for the Era of Absolutism. The Spanish Inquisition was first used to detect conquered Muslims who faked conversion to Christianity in order to keep their wealth. Later, under the advice of some of his advisor(and against his own inclinations…a great number of his most trusted courtiers were rich Jews) he extended it to Jews as well.

    To assume that the Vatican was for the persecuation of Spanish Jews is laughable. For one, the Vatican city-state did not formally exist until 1929, when Mussolini created it. For another, a series of Popes, including Alexander VI had focused more on supporting the political efforts of their families (in some cases, illegitimate daughters and sons). The Spanish Inquisition was just that: Spanish. It was a tool used by the crown of Spain to ensure hegemony of the populace (to decrease instability) and increase the wealth of the crown. The office of the Pope had next to nothing to do with it.

  38. mrteachersir says:

    @ Debbie Thurman: They (Newsweek) already did call him a Dominionist, along with Michele Bachmann.

    • Zane says:

      And we all know how non-biased Newsweek is, with its multiple covers portraying Obama with a halo around his head.

    • I attempted a comment that included a Huffington Post link yesterday to prove the point, as well. It got hung up in moderation, maybe because of the link.

      • Admin. says:

        Sorry! I was away yesterday and unable to approve comments that had automatically been put on hold because of links. All non-spam comments with links have now been approved.

  39. Charlie Russell says:

    I can’t read hearts. Why should I have to go through all my future life in our free America literally and figuratively looking over my shoulder wondering which Muslim(s) is a terrorist? So far as I can see the Muslim community in our Christian country, as a whole, is not and has not even given a thought to policing its own community to stop Muslim terrorism; nor does it cooperate with law enforcement in detecting and preventing terrorist acts against us and our country.

    As far as I’m concerned, based on the Muslim community’s to date apparent non-concern with policing its own, the best defense for America against a future of communal anxiety fearing, for instance, threats from divers Muslims of a “dirty bomb” going off in America,is to OUTLAW Islam and Shariah law in America.

    If we weight the future freedoms and safety of the 300 million “infidels” in America against the, convert America to Islamic theocracy or else, beliefs of the less than two million Muslims who have been allowed so far to migrate here – OUTLAWING Islam and Sahriah should be a “slam dunk.”

    • Zane says:

      “So far as I can see the Muslim community in our Christian country, as a whole, is not and has not even given a thought to policing its own”

      Can that not be said about the Hispanic community? With the deaths of Americans perpetrated at the hands of illegals that is greater every year than the number we lost on 9-11, just exactly what has the Hispanic community done to “policing its own?” Illegal gangbangers and drug dealers hang out in plain sight in Hispanic communities. And the same can be asked about the black communities? What have they done to “policing their own” when their kids are participating in flash mobs all over the nation, stealing everything they can get their hands on and drug dealers are a common sight in any black neighborhood?

      Yes, I think the Muslims should do more and quit playing the race card, a favorite tactic of CAIR. But I also think other ethnic groups should do the same.

      • TruthWFree says:

        Zane, one is a religion/ideology, the other is a race.

        The Hispanic community has some bad elements as do all groups in society. The drug traffic situation along the border has turned some Hispanics towards evil, but they are generally Christian people who believe in Jesus and the Ten commandments as I do.

        The Muslim situation is different in that their Quran, “the word of allah”, tells them not to make friends with Christians and Jews. Doing so in sincereity without subversive efforts to further Islam means they are going against the word of allah.
        You may say that’s possible, but I have a deep faith in Christ and I can see how Muslims can have a deep faith that the Quran is the “word of allah”, which also exhorts them to slay, fight and subjugate unbelievers (infidels).
        There are cafeteria Christians (I try not to be one of them) and the Gospels were written by men about Jesus’ teachings, his words and His miracles. The Quran as I said, is supposed to be the word of allah to a Muslim. I submit it’s much more difficult to be a cafeteria Muslim (if at all).

    • TruthWFree says:

      I agree with Charlie.

      The Mid East Islamic culture is not an accident. It is because of adherence to Muhammad’s teachings, one of which is to make Islam supreme in the world. There almost no religious freedom. In Saudi Arabia, the home of the Kaaba, NONE. In Turkey 99.8% Muslim (a secular country?). Non Muslims over the centuries have either been forced to convert or in the case of Christians and Jews, pay an additional tax plus discrimination, until conversion to Islam becomes a relief from taxes and discrimination. The Coptic Christians in Egypt are about 10% but they are going to suffer more under the Muslim Brotherhood rule.
      America should have NO part of Islam.

  40. TruthWFree says:

    “Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933”

    Islamic hatred of Jews and Christians goes back to the time of Muhammad. Read Quran Sura 9-29 and 5-51, “fight the people of the book” and “make not friends and protectors of Christians and Jews” respectively, plus a lot of other Quran quotes. The Quran is the “word of allah” to a Muslim. My guess is the Khan guy would not deny the word is allah’s. It appears that he is getting to further Islam without the violence, “Good Guy Bad Guy”. And also there is the concept of taqiyya (lying to further Islam).
    I give Perry the benefit of the doubt, that he does not know Islam’s teachings, but he should. The Quran (allah says) says that Jesus was not his son and that he did not die on the cross. As a Christian, I consider these both lies as the Gospels support that Jesus was the Son of God (“One with the Father” and “you have seen me, you have seen the Father”). Islam and Christianity cannot both be true because of this contradiction and others including exhortations to fight and kill unbelievers. It also requires Muslims to “make Islam Supreme” Sura 2-193.
    We have seen 1400 years of Islamic aggression against the West broken only by the Crusades and when the West became dominant through free thought and technology. To know this violent history of Islam,(supported by its teachings) including taqiyya and abrogation, there should be no partnership in this country to even remotely put it in a good light. I do not believe Islam can be reformed to a peaceful loving religion. Its basic tenets prevent that. The Al Qaeda’s of the world are the reformers back to Muhammad’s teachings in the Quran. The Christian Reformation was also to get back to Jesus Gospel teachings, two diametrically opposed teachings.
    I want to give Perry the benefit of the doubt, but we do not need Islamic pandering politicians. We have one in the White House, albeit a Socialist or more likely a Marxist.
    I pray daily for Muslims to come to the light of Jesus Christ and leave their false religion.

    • Cheryl says:

      I am just glad that the kid’s that will not remember 9/11 are going to be taught about Islam. I didn’t even know it existed until I went to college and accidentally stumbled across it. (But nothing about the genital mutilation, discrimination and 2nd class treatment of women, the barbaric practices of an eye for an eye or throwing gays alive into a burning pit, and pouring acid onto people and cutting off their hands) I am sure we learned about the Turkey becoming independent but not remembering anything about muslims mentioned.

      And of course when I saw those building fall I had no clue of who or why just like everybody else. This information is easy to come by “now” if you know what you are looking for, but if you’ve never heard of it; how are you to ask/research/find out about it.

      That is if schools are still in the business of education, or if they are just babysitters trying to keep americans next generation as dumb as possible.

  41. NJK says:

    Here is some more information about Governor Perry. It also includes his college transcripts. WHERE ARE OBAMA’S? DID HE REALLY GO TO COLLEGE? WHY CAN’T WE SEE THEM?

    Governor Perry like all people are not perfect, but he would be a wonderful candidate.

  42. Sarastro says:

    Islam is a lie and a hoax, there never was an “Allah” except in Mohammed’s sick mind, he was a psychopath who conjured him up out of the depths of hell, found that the trick worked with so many gullible “believers” and spread his lies around with threats and swords, he boasted that he laughed while he killed people, so whether a human being says he is a moderate Muslim, an Ismailli Muslim, a Shiite, a Sunni, a terrorist or whatever, he is a raving fool and has been deceived by his imams into believing a pile of bullshit known as the Koran. Mohammed was a fraud, among many other things.
    There is no reason whatsoever for any American school child to learn anything about Islam — for that matter for any American to learn anything about Islam, except that it is poison, harmful to one’s soul and wicked.
    If Gov. Perry is such a friend of Israel, let him bring Rabbis into the school system to explain the Old Testament to American school children, that would be uplifting and advantageous. I do not trust Perry and would never vote for him. He is not stalwart and is too wishy-washy in his love of America and his rejection of Islam. The only candidate I would wholeheartedly vote for is Allen West, he can be trusted, he is erudite, he is educated, he has read not only the Koran but also Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and other pertinate books, he knows the score. Islam must be 100% eliminated out of every nook and corner of America the Beautiful. No Islam, no mosques. Get out.

    • AA says:

      This ignorant comment made me unsubscribe this thread otherwise I thought there was some sanity left, guess I was wrong.

      • Alonzo says:

        AA is the one who is ignorant. The whole concept of Islam is seditious and could be pursued today under the Smith Act, if anyone had the guts to do it, to ban the Koran and eliminate the mosques that are rising everywhere as first steps in the invasion of our country by the Islamic hordes. In another 10 to 20 years we will be like Great Britain where the Islamic tide is growing and now is not reversable without a major civil war. Our population is now divided into two camps: Those who understand the threat and are anti-Muslim and those who are blind to the threat and support the Muslim conquest, either intentionaly or through ignorance. Hopefully, in order to save our country, the first group will rapidly become strong enough to contain the second group.

      • TruthWFree says:

        Sarastro may be incorrect in that Muhammad did have a supernatural revelation very possibly. As I see it, it was Satan and not Gabriel.
        The rest of his comments I agree with.
        1) Muhammad thought he was possessed.
        2) Allah (or Muhammad) in the Quran says that Jesus was not his son.
        3) Allah (or Muhammad) in the Quran says that Jesus did not die on the cross.
        4) Muslins are allowed to lie to infidels to further Islam (taqiyya).
        5) The Gospels written 600 to 700 years earlier attest to Jesus saying “I am One with the Father” and “you have seen Me, you have seen the Father”, plus countless miracles including bring three people back from the dead and then Himself.
        6) Jesus said in the Gospels that Satan was the Father of lies.
        7) Taking 2,3, and 4 above, I come to the logical conclusion that Muhammad was influenced by Satan who is the allah of the Quran.
        8) The Quran teaches hate of unbelievers (infidel).
        9) Jesus taught love and forgiveness, diametrically opposed to allah/Muhammad’s message.
        10) Muhammad performed no miracles (witnessed). Yeah he claimed to ride a buraq to the seventh heaven one night. Ever see a buraq?

    • Cheryl says:

      Keep you friends close and your enemies closer, I object to your thinking, we need to know the enemy, try to understand their beliefs because that is the only way to defeat them. This is a War, for-told in the bible, the christians are on the “good side” and will prevail, but the bad side will rain terror down on all of us until the final battle begins. Seems to me Mohammed read the bible knew it well and set up his “religion” to be the beast in the book, to take the opposing side if you know what I mean. This gives him the right to say destroy the others. Even though Christ’s message was to love the others, meaning love all!

  43. Nat says:

    Seriously, I think this article was very informative, but the reactions some of you have are EXACTLY the reason why Gov. Perry did this. By learning about other people’s faith, you start to realize that your faith isn’t the center of the universe, and you start to understand that people have different views from you. Having the knowledge of other religions is never a bad thing. It’s what makes us better than we were before! When people are given this type of knowledge, they’re less likely to engage in violent, hateful acts. Did any of you READ the passage from the history lesson? Something the historian highlighted was that while the West has taken interest in Islam, muslims have taken little or no interest. I think that’s exactly why they are so intolerant in their ways and why our societies are more accepting! But personally, I think there isn’t any wrong with this. If you are all afraid that your children will be running to a mosque to convert, there’s no need to worry about that! Geez LOUISE!

    • TruthWFree says:

      Muslims take little or no interest because their religion/ideology teaches Muslims are the “best of mankind” and Islam is superior to all other religions and allah’s religion is to be made supreme (demands or exhortations of Muslims in the Quran)over all religions in the world, by force if necessary (and it has been necessary in the bloody Islamic conquests).
      As Sarastro says, we need to know the true nature of Islam so that we can defend against it (know your enemy-Sun Tsu). It should be taught to our children that Islam is a supremist ideology that calls for fighting, slaying and subjugating unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme in the world (that’s 99% of Americans). It’s teachings are evil and 100% diametrically opposed to Christ’s teachings of love and forgiveness. Muhammad was an evil man by all Western standards and by human standards. Any sugar coating of Islam has no place in our schools.

  44. All talk Mr. Debunker. No facts.
    Here are the facts…
    University of Texas and Aga Khan University Establish Historic Partnership

  45. Dave Bailey says:

    I have personally reviewed the curriculum developed as a joint project between Gov. Perry and “his highness,” the Aga Khan, leader of the Ismaili sect of Islam, and discovered that it is indeed a shocking example of Islamic propaganda forced upon unsuspecting students attending Texas public schools. It’s appalling. To put it in a nutshell, the Islamic perspective of history has been inserted without critique into Texas classrooms.

    You have to read the Texas school curriculum for yourself to believe it. Below the bullet list is information taken directly from the SAN ANTONIO INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT’s own website ( ). In it, you will find the following:

    • A thorough whitewashing of the nature and history of Islam that ignores Islam’s bloody history while simultaneously portraying the Crusades as a bloody assault on Islamic soil by Christians.

    It’s enough to make you want to scream: While Islam “spreads” and “extends,” presumably in the same way that dew forms on flower petals, Crusaders “wrest political control of the Holy Land form Muslim rulers, damaging the positive relations that had previously existed.” Nowhere is it mentioned that the Crusades were prompted by two crises: (1) the ruthless treatment of Christian pilgrims attempting to see Jerusalem, which was under Muslim control, and (2) Byzantine Emperor Alexius’s plea for European knights to help him take back territory that had just been overrun by an invasion of Muslim Turks.

    • A presentation of the Koran and Muhammad that can only be described as open proselytization for Islam in public schools.

    • An idealized portrayal of Cordoba’s “multicultural” society that minimizes the oppression and political upheaval that took place under Muslim misrule, which largely brought on its own demise through infighting similar to what we see in the Islamic world today.

    • A bizarrely twisted portrayal of the Islamic world that blames Islam’s repression of women on Western Colonialism. (OWWW! MY BRAIN HURTS!!!)

    • An naked advertisement for the Aga Khan and the Ismaili sect of Islam. This is particularly dangerous because the Ismailis are a sect of only about 20 – 30 million people — approximately 2% of the entire Muslim population and therefore not representative of Islam as a whole. Also, while the Ismailis may portray themselves as relatively modern, they still have an anti-Western historical narrative that portrays the West as colonialist while ignoring Islam’s own bloody form of colonialism. In making overtures to build bridges with one small Islamic sect, Gov. Perry has replaced the Western narrative of history with the narrative of 1.5 billion Muslims who see the West as the enemy. AND YES, THEY REALLY DO SEE THE WEST AS THE ENEMY, as this curriculum makes clear.

    I’m willing to grant Gov. Perry the benefit of the doubt and believe that his actions are the product of naiveté and ignorance, rather than actual hostility to the West. However, his ignorance is inexcusable, and the damage he has done is immense. If Barack Obama had imposed such a curriculum on schools we’d be calling for his impeachment. Therefore it is unconscionable to look the other way when it comes to Perry. In my opinion, not only should Perry not be President, he should be impeached from the Texas governorship!

  46. Jennifer says:

    I do NOT agree with Mr. Wiltse (see below). Because he is Christian and an ardent supporter of Israel he is an expert on the subject? I am a Christian and ardent supporter of Israel as well. Mr. Salus (see below) gets his information from a much older document (and one that I happen to believe is the most accurate in regards to ancient history). I do not want misinformation being fed to my children and Mr. Wiltse’s ‘history’ is twisted to reflect his viewpoint.

    The conflict continues because the West, and the United States specifically, support Israel (an outpost of Western Civilization surrounded by Islamic Civilization), which Muslims generally dislike or hate.
    Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.”

    Bill Salus:
    Present Middle East hostilities between the Arabs and Jews can be traced to a disposition of hatred originating almost four thousand years ago. At that time God made an unconditional covenant with the Hebrew patriarch Abraham. Due to the inherent blessings contained within this covenant, the infamous family characters of the Bible; Hagar, Ishmael, Esau, Moab, Ammon, and Amalek, coveted the contents of this covenant. These jealous individuals and their descendants that followed came to hate the Hebrews, the heirs of this blessed covenant.”

    • TruthWFree says:

      The Arabs claim descent from Ismael, but between Abraham’s time (2000 BC) and Muhammad’s time (570 to 632 AD), they were pagans and poly-theists, I believe. Mohammad hated the Jews in Medina after he moved to Medina (Hijra 622 AD) because they did not accept him as a prophet or the final prophet. After he gained control, he beheaded 600 to 900 men of the Jewish tribe in Medina, and plundered their possessions and took their wives and children. He actually was not good as a prophet only, since when he was in Mecca, he gathered only about 150 followers from 610 AD (first supposed revelation) to 622 AD. After he moved to Medina, he started robbing and plundering caravans and his force grew to 100,000 in the eight years to 630 AD when he marched into Mecca, his enemies city, with 10,000 men. It is estimated he had 100,000 followers to field an army of 10,000. Muhammad died in 632 AD. It is rumored he had epilepsy which caused his revelations. He also thought he was possessed on his first revelation but his first wife Khadija convinced him otherwise. After she died, he went on to have as many as thirteen wives, one of which was a six year old he married in 622 AD and consummated the marriage at 9. It’s the reason Muslims can marry pre pubescent children. Disgusting. I want no part of this false religion/ideology.

      • Jennifer says:

        The conflict continues because the West, and the United States specifically, support Israel (an outpost of Western Civilization surrounded by Islamic Civilization), which Muslims generally dislike or hate.
        Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.”

        So, what I’m understanding is that you are stating you agree the conflict began long before 1933?

        “The Arabs claim descent from Ismael, but between Abraham’s time (2000 BC) and Muhammad’s time (570 to 632 AD), they were pagans and poly-theists, I believe.”

        From what I have learned from more modernistic history books, that is true.

        But what I have learned from the oldest known history book (and the one that I believe to be the authority on it) is that the conflict between the Arab nation (Ismael and his decendants) and the Jews (decendants of Isaac) began when they were children. Genesis 21:1-13 – (NIV)1 Now the Lord was gracious to Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did for Sarah what he had promised. 2 Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. 3 Abraham gave the name Isaac to the son Sarah bore him. 4 When his son Isaac was eight days old, Abraham circumcised him, as God commanded him. 5 Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him. 6 Sarah said, “God has brought me laughter, and everyone who hears about this will laugh with me.” 7 And she added, “Who would have said to Abraham that Sarah would nurse children? Yet I have borne him a son in his old age.” 8 The child grew and was weaned, and on the day Isaac was weaned Abraham held a great feast. 9 But Sarah saw that the son whom Hagar the Egyptian had borne to Abraham was mocking, 10 and she said to Abraham, “Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac.”
        11 The matter distressed Abraham greatly because it concerned his son. 12 But God said to him, “Do not be so distressed about the boy and your maidservant. Listen to whatever Sarah tells you, because it is through Isaac that your offspringb will be reckoned. 13 I will make the son of the maidservant into a nation also, because he is your offspring.”

        That describes the conflict, but, this is what the conflict is over: Genesiis 17:18-21(NIV) 18 And Abraham said to God, “If only Ishmael might live under your blessing!” 19 Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”

        Their history goes back MUCH further than 1933. Mr. Wiltse’s history is skewed. This is the correct history of the conflict between the Arab nation and the Jewish nation and if it’s going to be taught in school and they want to include the version that the muslim nation approves of, then they also need to include the version that the Jewish and Christian nations approve of.

        • TruthWFree says:

          Your Biblical history is correct, but I doubt that Muhammad could trace genealogy back to Ismael. Was the supposed revelation to Muhammad in 610 AD a figment of Muhammad’s imagination or his epilepsy fits or was its source Satan? I vote for Satan because of the lies in the Quran against Jesus as the Son of God and that He did not die on the cross plus the concept of taqiyya in Islam (lying to unbelievers to further Islam). Jesus said in the Gospels that Satan is the father of lies…so I think allah (the supposed source of the Quran) is Satan. Maybe Islam and Muhammad’s hatred of Islam was prediced by those Biblical statements from God, but the form of that hatred now and has been for 1400 years is Islam.

  47. Choi says:

    There are PATRIOTIC CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS and then there are Arabist/Jihad Supporting “conservative Republicans”such as Perry and other Grover Norquist accolytes and also that lunatic Ron Paul.
    Perry is close to Democrat Farouk Shami,an Islamist and benefactor of Palestinian Terrorists whose father was one of the Mufti,Al-Husseni’s,CLOSEST UNDERLINGS.
    In 2012 the Jihadis are trying to “run the table” as they already CONTROL the Democratic Party and now are trying to HIJACK the GOP as well,through Norquist.
    Obama vs Perry would be the “Muslim Brotherhood’s” dream come true.
    The PATRIOTIC Republicans MUST PREVAIL within the GOP and then go on to DEFEAT Obama.

  48. why does this excerpt fail to mention that Al Qaeda is part of the Muslim Brotherhood? Why does this excerpt pretend that the Arabs in the British Mandate of Palestine were ever friendly to Jews.

    No… I will not be supporting Perry
    YOU DHIMMIS! yeah… you said we could call you that.

  49. Sarastro says:

    Nat — Islam is NOT a religion, it is a system to manipulate people and make them into robots — Mohammed even said ” do not ask questions, just believe — some people did ask questions and for that reason lost their belief”. If a Muslim asks questions, and reads the Koran (most have never read it and only believe what their grinning imams tell them), they could no longer be Muslims. Therefore all believing Muslims are ignorant, deceived victims who neither know nor think. The one thing Islam cannot allow is investigation and light thrown onto its rules and regulations.
    Christians have nothing to learn from knowing about Islam — for one thing, you will never learn the truth from a Muslim — the imams know the truth but keep on pulling the wool over the eyes of those they preach to because that is their power base and they are adept at taqquia; and ordinary Muslims just believe what they are told, they are brainwashed, primitive victims and don’t know it.
    Mohammed was possessed by Lucifer-Satan squared to the nth degree. 99 percent of the hadiths (quotes from and anecdotes about Mohammed) are kept hidden and secret because if people knew what he did and said they would be so horrified they could no longer be a believing Muslim. Everything about Islam is a lie, the devil was the father of lies, and the devil was — and is — Mohammed.

    • TruthWFree says:

      I agrre with you except that we need to know the true nature of the enemy of freedom, Islam…and this program does not do that, so it is useless…actually subversive.

  50. GREAT REVIEW! I totally agree with all you said in your article, especially at the end of your article. Thank you, this info is very valuable as always. Keep up the good work! You’ve got +1 more reader of your great blog:) Isabella S.

  51. Susan says:

    Thank you for the article. It was quite interesting and informative to read. I had not read the salon info (one does not read toilet paper – well – I have been known to glance at the Huffington post occasionally for book reviews) it was equally of interest to read the many comments that were left. I enjoyed comparing the comments, rhetoric, spelling – or lack thereof, and level of vile … probably the basis for a research project there. it is My recollection that in the days immediately following 9/11 there was a great anti-muslim uprising in the united states and a fear of retribution towards innocent people. We were asked to educate ourselves, our families and our friends that true Islam was a religion of peace. It sounds as if this is what Governor Perry may have been attempting and it sounds as if he was successful. it is most unfortunate that there were those who took this to mean allow the education of everything except christianity as that has been banned from our public schools. (and now our stores and holidays and radio stations and what have you) This has also exemplified a continuing problem with our public education system. we have teachers with tenure and no business teaching while other educators go elsewhere so they may actually teach. in Ohio, we are hoping to move from a tenure based education system to a merit based education system. then, when our students go out into the world they will at least be able to articulate their thoughts in a coherent fashion without resorting to playground bully tactics. I digress, it is long past my hour of rest. thank you again for your article. it is interesting how much fear governor perry’s entrance into the presidential race has wrought. It has begun.



    Against our wishes here in TEXAS where we need good paying jobs because everyone is moving here for better opportunities

    PERRY has a Spanish Company not only building MORE TOLLWAYS ON ONE OF OUR ONLY FREE – HIGHWAYS he is letting them use 80% of workers brought in from SPAIN !!!!!! This Spanish company will ALSO BE TAKING ALL THE TOLL PROFITS !!!!!!


  53. No matter what you say, Muslims will stick together in the end and they all want world domination achievable through each sects devious means. The Salon site is exposing Perry’s coziness with the Agha Khan not because they doubt his interest in Islam, it’s only because Obama is the best bet and Soros and the Muslims have purchased Obama for the complicit role. They just don’t want to go through the hassle and expense to train another dupe for their cause.

    As for the Texas school curriculum, there are no special Christianity claases; therefore, there should be no Islamic studies. The State should not be sponsoring a religion in any way, shape, or form. It is a subterfuge to promote Islamic infiltration.

    Now, Pamela Geller may have quoted Salon, but don’t discount her in-depth knowledge of behind the scenes political intrigues. She knows more than credit her.

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  54. This piece is much longer than it needs to be. The bottom line is that Perry can carry Muslim votes to help maybe knock Presiden Barack Obama outta the White House. Who cares who the votes come from as long as they keep comin’. South Carolina needs to get out the vote.

    • Jennifer says:

      at this point with mubarak hussein obamas ratings, a dead rabbit could beat him. (just kidding) we all need to investigate each candidate and then vote for the person that we personally believe to be the best choice. do not be easily swayed into giving a candidate your support by what you hear from the media, or from blogs. collect as much data as you can on each one and make an educated, informed choice based on your principals. there are many choices to date and time will prove them out. this is what America is about – freedom to make the choice. May God Bless America and May America Bless God!

  55. Hesperado says:

    David Stein writes:

    “Much of the curriculum centers on very dry materials, presented with no editorializing – historical timelines, glossaries, the basic tenets of Islam (presented without either endorsement and praise, or denunciation and criticism), etc.”

    Presenting Islam as a “world religion” with no editorializing is, in effect, to reinforce the PC MC given that Islam is a “religion” and not rather a geopolitical system for militant expansionism in order to try (not that its followers will ever succeed — a separate issue) to conquer the world for delusional eschatological motivations, and in the process to subjugate all those non-Muslims whom they have not massacred. I.e., about some things, putative “neutrality” actually takes a biased stand. I’m sure I could design a curriculum that describes Hitler’s rise and military expansion (along with his other bright and sick ideas he put into action) “with no editorializing” such that he came across as approximately no different than the Allies who fought him. Would that be a good way to teach our grade school and high school students about the history of WW2?

    Here’s a neutral presentation of Jeffrey Daumer I cooked up (it’s easy! try it yourself!), with “no editorializing” or “propaganda”:

    “Jeffrey Daumer was a 33-year-old man who spent a few years of his life arranging meetings with certain younger men and bringing them back to his apartment, where he introduced their bloodstreams to certain chemicals which are reputed to have the effect of rendering the recipient sleepy, groggy and possibly in a state where conscious perceptions are impaired. After these events, Mr. Daumer initiated procedures he had planned that resulted in the sentience of his guests to cease functioning, with the purpose of then arranging for the digestive ingestion of certain aspects of their physiology. During a routine investigation by members of law enforcement, Mr. Daumer was placed under arrest and later tried for a certain serious crime. Not soon thereafter, while in prison, his life was brutally cut short by a vicious murder perpetrated by a fellow prison inmate, though that violent murderer has never been found.”

    Back to David Stein:

    “Of interest to us, however, is the lesson plan that deals with Islam and the West… The lesson plan was written by Ronald Wiltse.”

    What’s a “lesson plan”? Is that like some boring material buried at the end of a textbook as “Appendix H-21347898 (or worse, printed out by an ancient mimeograph machine as a poorly stapled syllabus collecting dust on a table at the end of the classroom) which may, or may not, be chosen by any given Social Studies teacher to assign their students?

  56. Hesperado says:

    David Stein links to the “entire lesson plan” but when I click on the link, I get this message:

    “Not Found

    The requested URL /admin/curric/sstudies/mhcp/files/conflict_notes.pdf was not found on this server.
    Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at Port 80″

  57. Hesperado says:

    Wiltse’s segment on Israel includes:

    “Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.”

    It’s not complicated. Islamic entity has been shown, by massive historical data, to trace back to Mohammed and his immediate successors 1,400 years ago — richly based in mainstream Islamic texts and tenets in the Koran, the Ahadith, the Sira, all the Tafasir, and the various traditions of Fiqh.

    Wiltse in the same vein writes:

    “Nazi dissemination of anti-Semitic ideas influenced and continues to influence Middle-Eastern Muslims.”

    Nazi antisemitism doesn’t “influence” Muslims: it MIRRORS and RESONATES WITH their own, entirely independently based, inveterate hatred of Jews.

  58. Hesperado says:


    In my third paragraph, I meant to write “Islamic enmity” — not “Islamic entity”.

  59. Coolant says:

    Great article in response to Salon. America needs to understand the world across the Atlantic and Pacific. We are no longer in a world where a no care attitude will do us any good. 9/11 proved that our intel on the world outside our borders was abysmal and suddenly we wake up to world we didnt care to know about. HELLO NEW WORLD!

    The other ‘World’ has a billion plus muslims and you may be interacting with them even without knowing it, they have been here and will continue to be here and are not going anywhere. Alienating 1/3 of the worlds humanity will only get us into the same rut. Further if all the muslims of the world are terrorists then we are living on borrowed time, but that is not the case.

    The Aga Khan represents what the islamic religion wants to be in its true spirit but is hijacked by illiteracy, intolerance, ignorance and the same attitude (even worse) than what America and the West carries for the muslim world. AMERICA NEEDS MORE AGA KHANS AND ISMAILITES ON ITS SIDE! The OTHER OPTION is Wahhabi Islam and the likes of Al Qaeda, take your pick!

    By the way if you look for pictures of the Aga Khan most US Presidents from JFK, Carter, Reagan, Bushs’, Clintons and pretty much all of the senior US bureaucrats, world Presidents and Prime Ministers have met with the Aga Khan one time of the other in the last 50 years. Perry seems a bit late to the party, nevertheless I think he knows what he is doing and is sure this is a better way for America to dialogue with islam than the other options on the table.

  60. shirlene denny says:

    Enjoyed reading your article,but with all due respect there is NO room in our country to learn about the muslim belief.If they are here in our country they can learn the American ways.Muslims teaching should NEVER be in our schools.The muslims will all stick together against America and our laws.

    • Mabel says:

      There are articles detailing what the curriculum contains. It includes criticism of Muslim countries. Texas children must be taught about the entire world, or they will be ignorant of the facts.

  61. Y-not says:

    Congratulations on (and thank you for) your detailed de-bunking.


  62. dan says:

    what islam is not

    It is the greatest threat we have ever faced.

  63. I will link to this from my Old Jarhead blog. To do anything to reverse the downward spiral we are in, the candidate must get elected. To do that, he/she must win votes in the middle. These are folks who don’t pay attention, and are turned off by views that the left media can present as extremists. I don’t know where Perry is on the Jihad, one of four problems I see destroying the country. (The others are the debt, illegal immigration and the rise of China.) But I believe if Obama is re-elected, it’s game over. Let us have a little more tolerance within the anti-Obama effort, least we help the opposition re-elect him.

    Robert A. Hall
    Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
    (All royalties go to a charity to help wounded veterans)

  64. Kristen McFarland says:

    i have a problem with name is the final & last resort of those who haven’t a leg to stand on…I have watched this dialogue going on and I have to say, it looks like Ms. Geller and Mr. Spencer have a problem with those who ostensibly are on their side and are disagreeing on technicalities…the end result is that of shooting yourself in the foot…they’re driving people away from a cause that most of us would support with this type of behavior…and it is unbecoming and petty..carry on Mr. Stein…we need to see this..we have to realize, a political candidate who can beat Obama is who we’re looking for…and with an increase in the Muslim population in the United States, we will always have to deal with them in one manner or another as Rick Perry has done…..Rick Perry chose what can be called a moderate unfortunately a shame that both Pamela Geller & Robert Spencer have chosen the rise & fall of their own reputations on this particular topic…sad indeed because they become the very thing they hate…..and I haven’t anything against any of the participants in this…but it’s getting uglier by the day…and the real issue is who will beat Obama????This is what the Democrats want…dissension in the ranks…and everybody is answering the call…wake up everybody….

    • TruthWFree says:

      Kristen McFarland,

      I agree. Obama must be defeated; however, I have read the Quran and studied Islam. The Quran (to a Muslim) is supposed to be the word of allah. Allah calls for slaying and fighting Pagans, Christians and Jews. There are about 100 verses that call for hate against infidels. Islamic Sharia law is seditious to the US Constitution and our freedoms therein.
      I would like to see Perry make a statement on this as to why he felt it necessary to introduce this program into the University of Texas.
      After reading the Quran and numerous books on the subject of Islam, including those by apostates who should know the evils of Islam, I do feel that Islam really has no place in America if Muslims adhere to the violent verses as allah’s word. If they believe this, they have and will act on it.

  65. Coach says:

    I will vote for Obama only because the republican party offers NOTHING. ZERO. ZIP.
    When you have an extremist wing of the party hijacking issues that put the nation’s economy in danger thanks to ideologies, when you have a refusal to raise taxes on the nation’s wealthiest due to misinformation and deliberate obfuscation, when average middle class citizens are held hostage for Hurricane Irene help thanks to…again..political posturing, that’s all we need to know. The best republican candidate–Ron Paul–is either shouted down by fellow republicans or ignored by its propaganda machine, FOX News.
    Modern republicans are eerily reminiscent of the Nazi party. People like Perry, Cantor and Palin aren’t fit to be shining shoes, let alone running a nation.
    What idiot votes for a republican?

    • TruthWFree says:

      Obama, with Pelosi and Reed, has increased our debt to levels that can never be repaid. Obama’s anti-business attitude is largely the reason no one is doing anything to expand business (and thereby create jobs). There is too much uncertainty under the man with socialist philosophies.
      Ron Paul is okay on most issues but having no concern about a nuclear Iran just blows him away for me. He is clueless.
      If 19 Muslims would commit suicide and fly planes into the World Trade Towers killing only 4,000, just think how willing (many volunteers)(and joyful) they would be to detonate a nuclear device in one or more of our cities killing millions of infidels.
      The religion/ideology is fanatical and the leaders of Iran are no less fanatical than the 19 WTC bombers or Osama bin Ladin.
      Obama either is a Muslim or has strong Muslim sympathies as evidenced to his Muslim Brotherhood outreach.
      I will vote for whoever wins the Republican nomination. Obama will destroy this country if re-elected.

  66. AMERICAN says:


  67. ava green says:

    AMERICAN sounds like Mr. Pinko from Iowntheworld. Even if he does have some opinions that are worthy, the fact that he’s a slobbering bully with an overblown ego that doesn’t like to listen to anyone that doesn’t hold his opinion makes it difficult to differentiate between his over-the-top rhetoric from facts. “ignore*

  68. ava green says:

    Thank you, Kristin, for your reasoned response. It is refreshing.

  69. ava green says:

    ***PERRY has a Spanish Company not only building MORE TOLLWAYS ON ONE OF OUR ONLY FREE – HIGHWAYS he is letting them use 80% of workers brought in from SPAIN !!!!!! This Spanish company will ALSO BE TAKING ALL THE TOLL PROFITS !!!!!!****

    Where do you get this information? You’re using partial truths here.

    “The Legislature took away statutory permission for all but a handful of long-term toll road leases. And the Trans-Texas Corridor, after shrinking conceptually along the way (to two tollways, with no new railroads or utility lines), shriveled to almost nothing. Perry has declared it dead.

    But Hutchison’s campaign is treating the corridor plan — and its potential taking of farmland — as if it still has a pulse, foreign toll road leases like they’re proliferating, and toll conversions as if they have a chance of happening (even Perry has disowned the strategy, and they now require a public vote).”

    “…Meanwhile, the Spanish firm Cintra has agreed to spend billions to rebuild LBJ Freeway in Dallas and to construct the North Tarrant Express near Fort Worth. Both projects involve a mix of tax dollars and PRIVATE funds, and will result in highways with FREE LANES and tolled managed lanes….”

    Read this if you’d like a better picture of Perry. Of course, if you just want to continue to read/believe propaganda, then don’t bother:

  70. Peace says:

    I wish all of this nonsense would stop. Anyways, if you don’t believe in Jesus as the Messiah and the Son of God…. Your not entering into Heaven. I don’t care how good of a person you are. You have to believe in Jesus. In order to enter Heaven.

  71. INCOG MAN says:

    I know everything I need to know about your little gig here just by your last name, Zionist.

    It’s you people who stir up all the troubles in the world.

    America is fast getting sick and tired of the Jewish crap! Got that, pal?

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