NY Dem Strongarms Credit Cards to Ban “Racist Speech”

File this one under “underreported stories of 2013.” A New York Democrat state assemblyman successfully lobbied to get Visa and Mastercard to withdraw credit card processing privileges from organizations he opposes. Surely this story was covered far and wide in the conservative press. I mean, the scope and severity of this matter dwarfs Bloomberg’s Big Gulp ban. Certainly, conservatives were all over this one Breitbart style, decrying such an abuse of power!

Shhhh……you’ll wake the conservatives, who slept through this story like a Casey Anthony daughter on Benadryl.

It’s 2014. It’s a new year, and a new Dave. I’m freed from the yoke of having to be politically correct, or liked. And – as I promote my upcoming book (available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and Walmart…sorry for the shameless plug) – I’m more than happy to draw attention to stories that the conservative and GOP sites that used to carry my work are too scaredy-cat to mention.

The truth is, no one – left or right – will have much interest in this story. Why? Because the organizations and publishing houses that New York Assemblyman Dov Hikind has targeted are revisionist history organizations that question certain claims regarding World War II and the Holocaust.

Full disclosure #1: As David Cole, I became notorious in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s as the “Jewish Holocaust revisionist.” I never “denied” the Holocaust, but I did feel that there were things in the historical record that needed to be corrected (especially as the loosening of travel restrictions in the Soviet Union allowed Western researchers better access to archives and historical sites). Full disclosure #2: Several of the groups targeted by Hikind still carry my old work, but, after I recanted and changed my name and identity in 1998, I renounced any income from my revisionist books and videos. Money-wise, I don’t have a dog in the fight. Full disclosure #3: Hikind is a member of the Jewish Defense League, the organization that put a $25,000 bounty on my head in 1997 and pressured me to recant. But that’s not why I’m writing this story. I have sought as much as possible to avoid conflict with the JDL since I recanted and paid them off to leave me in peace. I’m not trying to spark a renewal of eighteen-year-old animosities.

But what Hikind has done is shameful, as is the reluctance of the press to cover it.

In summer 2013, Hikind began pressuring credit card companies to prevent certain publishing houses and websites from using credit card processing services. I’ll quote at length from Hikind’s press release:

Assemblyman Hikind (D-Brooklyn) is calling on the major credit card companies to withdraw their support from numerous hate groups operating in the United States and abroad. It was discovered that eight Holocaust denial organizations are currently selling racist, anti-Semitic and Holocaust Denial products (books, videos) via websites through credit card sales.

“Unfortunately, it is no longer shocking in this day and age to find those who deny the Holocaust—those who espouse openly racist, hateful ideologies,” said Assemblyman Hikind. “What is shocking is to find prestigious credit card companies doing business with them and enabling these groups to raise money to spread their hateful messages.”

The Holocaust Denial organizations offering credit card sales are:

– Institute for Historical Review (Amex, Visa, MC, Discover)

– Noontide Press (Amex, Visa, MC, Discover)

– Inconvenient History (Visa, MC)

– Barnes Review/Foundation for Economic Liberty (Amex, Visa, MC, Discover)

– (David) Irving Books/Focal Point Press (Amex, Visa, MC, Discover, Paypal)

– The International Conspiratological Association (Amex, Visa, MC, Discover, Paypal)

– Castle Hill Publishers and CODAH (sic) (Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust) (Visa, MC)

Some of the many anti-Semitic and Holocaust-denial books sold by these organizations include Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, The ‘Gas Chambers’ of Dachau, Mauthausen and Hartheim, which states that “none of these facilities were ever used, or could have been used, as lethal ‘gas chambers’” and The Rudolf Report which states, “The alleged gas chambers of Auschwitz could not have existed.”

Hikind’s campaign worked. One by one, the organizations targeted by Hikind lost the ability to process credit cards. A follow-up press release from Hikind’s office:

Unlike in certain European countries, where selling racist and Holocaust-denial materials is illegal, hate literature is protected speech in the United States. As such, MasterCard is limited to “educating” its merchant banks with regard to who they are issuing merchant accounts to. “But MasterCard has been a Master Educator,” said Assemblyman Hikind who noted that nearly every hate group that he reported last month for selling Holocaust Denial products has now been dropped by their individual merchant banks.

In late December 2013, one of the targeted organizations, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR), successfully fought to regain its credit card processing privileges. In a letter to MasterCard CEO Ajay Banga, IHR director Mark Weber made the point that his organization is recognized by the IRS as a 501 (c)(3) public interest educational enterprise with no history of criminal wrongdoing, whereas Hikind’s Jewish Defense League, which has been described by the FBI as a terrorist organization, has been accused of numerous illegal activities. Weber also pointed out that like any publishing company, “the IHR does not necessarily agree with the content or outlook of published, posted or distributed items.”

Okay, so why should you care about any of this?

A couple of reasons. Consider the precedent that was set in this matter. A New York state legislator got credit card issuers to revoke processing privileges to groups that this one legislator claimed are “hate groups” (not that other people don’t agree with that assessment, but the processing revocations were not in response to a mass movement, but rather one single person’s demand).

So what happens once CAIR and other Muslim groups make the same demand of Visa and MasterCard and Paypal regarding the organizations that they consider to be hate groups? What happens when CAIR demands the revocation of processing privileges for Pam Geller and Daniel Pipes and Steve Emerson and David Horowitz? If the credit card companies give in to Hikind but not to Muslim groups, they’ll be accused of “discrimination.”

I’m talking about a precedent that will inevitably lead to other groups demanding equal punishment against people or organizations they claim are hate-mongers.

Every law currently being enforced in Europe and Canada to punish “hate speech” against Muslims began as a law to punish “Holocaust denial.” That’s how these things get started. The initial approach is always, “don’t worry – we only want to revoke the rights of those evil deniers. You have nothing to worry about.”

There’s a line in Goodfellas, in which Henry Hill describes how a member of a crew gets whacked: “Nobody ever tells you that they’re going to kill you, it doesn’t happen that way. There weren’t any arguments or curses like in the movies. See, your murderers come with smiles, they come as your friends.”

I personally know people who think this country is on the verge of a military-style invasion by snarling Obama UN Gestapo shock troops marching down main street. But that’s not typically how it happens. When the government wants to seize more power, it “comes with smiles,” it “comes as your friend.” It might offer you “free health care,” or it might promise to “smite your enemies.”

Saying you’re going after “deniers” is the easiest way to get people on-board with censorship. The desire to pound deniers transcends political left or right. When Congressman John Conyers and the NAACP and a bunch of academic elites held a conference at Hofstra University to craft legislation that would ban “hate speech” in the U.S., what villain did they choose to put on trial in the moot court that was held to test the model legislation? A Holocaust denier.

But, as one of the authors of the model legislation admitted to me in an interview, the legislation would actually affect anyone who’s accused of “insulting” any racial/ethnic/religious minority. The law – and this was explicitly stated to me in my exclusive interview with the person who crafted it – would ban a leftist like Michael Moore from releasing a book titled “Stupid White Men,” and a conservative like David Horowitz from claiming that American blacks aren’t entitled to reparations.

Both sides, left and right, would suffer, all from a law that was to be sold to the public as a way to combat “Holocaust denial.”

That law never passed. Hence, Hikind’s attempt to take a different route by forcing credit card companies to make moral judgments regarding who can use their services. Let’s be clear on exactly what happened. A state politician – a “public servant” – has successfully lobbied major credit card companies to prevent American citizens from using their services based merely on the opinions that those Americans hold. If you say, “so what? Those opinions are odious,” then congratulations, you’ve taken the bait. Thanks for being so easily manipulated; you’re a real hero.

I could stop here, but I want to take it a bit further. You wanna know something? Publishing houses like the IHR, and historians like David Irving, are not just a boil on the ass of the First Amendment. They actually contribute something positive to the historiography of the Second World War. After my outing as David Cole, a bunch of nitwits who wouldn’t know Mauthausen from Mickey Mouse decided that I was the dictionary definition of the worst thing on earth. Actor Nick Searcy (co-star of the hit FX series “Justified”), a former good friend, likened me to the “Grand Kleagle of the KKK” in a Facebook post. And one of the biggest visual effects guys in Hollywood, who worked on everything from “Avatar” and “Iron Man 3” to “Twilight: Breaking Dawn” and “The Avengers,” called me “worse than a Nazi” and “as bad as a pedophile.”

The impulse to compare historical revisionists to things that are irredeemably repugnant (like pedophiles) is understandable considering the torrent of negative press surrounding folks like me who have the odd notion that our understanding of major historical events might sometimes need adjusting as time passes, as Iron Curtains fall, and as new information comes to light.

But the information uncovered by historical revisionists is, in fact, widely used by “respected” historians. People like David Irving, whose conclusions I might not always agree with, have uncovered many important documents and shed light on some of the most vital issues of WWII and the Holocaust. I myself have been accused of such scandalous light-shedding, although I’m not sure that David Stein agrees with everything David Cole does (it’s tough to get a dialogue going between the two, as they’re rarely if ever in the same room together).

My forthcoming book is filled with information to debunk the belief that there is some hard line in the sand that separates “revisionists” from “real historians.” I’ll give just a few examples here.

On an episode of the Charlie Rose Show from May 8, 1996, this exchange regarding revisionism took place between Christopher Hitchens and Eric Breindel (editorial page editor of The New York Post):

Hitchens: Most of what I know, I’ve learned from arguing with people with whom I disagree, often very violently.

Breindel: Well, this is true, but there are levels of the game. I mean, I assume that there are serious scholars, or people you would find serious in the sense that they unearth new information, who publish in, for example, the journal of The Institute for Historical Review, which dedicates itself primarily to proving, for example, that there were no gas chambers at Nazi death camps. There has been scholarship, Christopher, in those journals. Let there be no doubt about it. They have uncovered train records that many of us who study this field didn’t know existed. They go to the actual archives.

Hitchens: I also quote Raul Hilberg, who you, I know, know is one of the senior historians of the Holocaust story – in many ways, the original historian of it. His book in 1961, The Destruction of European Jewry, is considered to be the standard. He said to me, “Look, David Irving has made me go back and look at things again. David Irving has made me re-examine things I thought I knew for sure. David Irving has made me go over some ground, ask me how I know things, and I welcome this kind of challenge.”

Twenty years earlier, in Canada, at a criminal trial of a man accused of “revisionism,” the aforementioned Raul Hilberg admitted on the stand that revisionists play an important role in Holocaust history:

Lawyer: It appears, then, that even today some of the relevant documents to give us a clear understanding of this massive situation are still missing. would you agree?

Raul Hilberg: Oh yes.

Lawyer: And some of them might very clearly contradict some of our firmly fixed views.

Hilberg: I can never exclude the possibility of contradiction. After all, there are people who maintain (at the recent historians conference) at Stuttgart that Hitler did not give any orders (for the extermination of the Jews).

Lawyer: Yes. so in fact people questioning these types of situations can be of use to you and to others in stimulating further research.

Hilberg: Obviously.

I caution people against equating an organization like the Institute for Historical Review with odious enterprises like NAMBLA or the Westboro Baptist Church. Good research does indeed come from revisionist historians. Indeed, currently there are many important contemporaneous documents relating to the war and the Holocaust that can be found in English only on some of the sites that Dov Hikind blacklisted (the IHR, David Irving’s site, Castle Hill and CODOH, and Inconvenient History).

Does that mean I vouch for everything on those sites? Of course not. Does that mean I vouch for the character of everyone who buys material from those sites? Of course not. The cowardly nature of the silence of my former conservative allies regarding Hikind’s activities may perhaps be better understood if one imagines how the right would react if a New York Democrat pressured Visa, MasterCard, AmEx, Discovery, and Paypal to withdraw services from gun dealers, on the grounds that some customers of gun shops might be “bad people.”

What an outcry there’d be (and, indeed, what an outcry there was when something far less severe than what Hikind did happened to a gun seller last year).

I expect no outcry against Hikind from hypocritical and gullible “conservatives” who have no problem with a New York Dem punishing publishing companies and websites purely because of their opinions. It’s tragically ironic that some of those who claim to be standing watch against assaults on liberty are helping it along by their silence.

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Assemblyman Hikind with Noah J. Hanft, General Counsel for MasterCard Worldwide (L) and Richard Santoro, MasterCard Worldwide’s VP of Government Affairs.

Assemblyman Hikind with Noah J. Hanft, General Counsel for MasterCard Worldwide (L) and Richard Santoro, MasterCard Worldwide’s VP of Government Affairs.

Comments
96 Responses to “NY Dem Strongarms Credit Cards to Ban “Racist Speech””
  1. OldManC says:

    I hadn’t heard of this but sadly, I’m not surprised that so few people would speak out about this. People who squeal like a stuck pig when their ox is being gored but who stand and look on silently when the next guy’s is bleeding in the street deserve what they get. Unfortunately, the rest of us get it too. Hikind should be shamed for his reprehensible behavior as a public “servant.”

  2. Jan Kerron says:

    A well-reasoned piece. I stay away from “mainstream” politics because I find that none of the major parties really give a damn about freedom. You are right to point out the hypocrisy of supposed “opponents” refusing to condemn what Hikind did. This is how freedom gets erased.

  3. Ajay Donough says:

    Good to see you back, David! And in fine form. I’m sorry you were “outed,” but the GOP’s loss is everyone else’s gain. Stay strong and keep writing!

  4. Jett Rucker says:

    The other targets on Hikind’s list do NOT have the 501(c)(3) “shield” to cower behind.

    In Europe, there are regulatory efforts to “unbank” organizations (such as Wikileaks) whose agendas trouble the power elites. With (Jewish) Janet Yellen succeeding (Jewish) Ben Bernanke and even (Jewish) Stanley Fischer sitting as Yellen’s #2 on the Federal Reserve’s Board of Governors, I fear programs like Hikind’s may be expanded to include “unbanking” our organizations (yes, I know you’re Jewish – so’s my wife).

    And what after that? Prohibit us from using (the government’s) MONEY? Why not?

  5. Merwin says:

    “The truth behind the Gates of Auschwitz” is an immortal classic of truth telling and subversion. For ten years you have been a mysterious hero to me and now all is revealed, your life story is hilarious. Best of luck in all of your new endeavours.

  6. Marcy Fleming says:

    Thanks for a very well written expose of the latest censorship tactics by the Israel First Lobby. As a Jew and a Shoah
    Revisionist I have no idea what ‘holocaust denier’ even means. As an atheist I don’t deny ‘god’ but I just don’t believe in the concept.
    One of the sleaziest journalistic tactics is to report that a person accused of whatever ‘insists’ or ‘denies’ the charges.
    People should read Debating The Holocaust by Thomas Dalton, Ph.D., available from Amazon. He was a believer who became a revisionist. There are many good books by Rassinier, Faurisson, Butz, Mattogno, Rudolph, Sanning,
    Burg, Graf, et al, but if you could read just one book, Dalton is it.

    David, I look forward to you’re autobiography.

  7. To oppose the “ganzer machers” like Dov Hikind, Abe Foxman, Mort Klein, and Elie Wiesel takes a lot of courage, which you have consistently shown for many years. If I can help you, let me know.

  8. paschn says:

    Welcome back, you were missed.

  9. Michael says:

    David, you’re a very brave man. Glad to see you’re ok!

  10. Andrew E. Mathis says:

    Well, I can see you haven’t learned a God-damned thing. That’s comforting.

    First of all, Zündel wasn’t accused of “revisionism.” He was accused of spreading false news, which means lying and knowing you’re lying. Regardless of whether it’s a bullshit charge are not (and it is), you don’t need to misrepresent Zündel’s case.

    Second, I can count on the knuckles of one finger the number of Holocaust deniers I’ve encountered who weren’t haters of Jews. If you were honest even for a second, you’d acknowledge that as well. Mark Weber, whom you cite above, is an alumnus of not one but TWO neo-Nazi organizations. Think he’d live next door to you, David?

    Third and finally, if you say you’re a revisionist. not a denier, but you deny the method by which half of the Jews killed during WWII died (gas chambers) and the full number of Jews killed, then what exactly do you have left? It’s like saying you’re not a hurricane denier, you just don’t believe that it rains all that hard or that the wind is very strong.

    In closing, allow me to congratulate you on being, once again, “ein prima Jude” for the scum of the earth.

  11. M Peterson says:

    Great to hear from you again. We are a lot of people in Scandinavia that promotes the truth on this subject and luckily its growing really fast. Keep up the work and give the intimidating people a finger.

  12. Jack OBrien says:

    Solid reasoning as usual. Thanks for your voice being back in the ring. Pay attention!! and take nothing for granted. As there are many Andrew Ms out there looking, actually looking and wanting to make trouble. As always be safe!

  13. 1. What Zundel was doing was notreally a crime because Canada later struck down the false news law saying it was unconstitutional. People came to their senses and realized he didn’t knowingly say things he knew to be wrong. In fact the first trial was so damaging for the holocaust gas chambers that many people refused to be witnesses for the second trial (Raul Hillburg) or the prosecutor remembered how attorney Douglas Christie reduced the jury to laughter at times with other witnesses and wanted nothing to do with them in the second trial.

    2. Yes, there are a lot of revisionists who hate Jews and some may in fact be drawn to revisionism because they hate Jews for other reasons. Or some may get into revisionism, see the validity of a lot of it and then hate all Jews. There are a few kooks out there and it needs to be admitted. Unfortunately in some cases anti semitism is earned by certain Jewish behavior. This ALSO needs to be acknowledged once and for all. From the shameful things that have been done in Palestine for decades, to the attacks on free speech in Europe and Canada regarding things as simple is immigraion.

    why is it that Jews can openly talk about securing their borders from foreigners in Israel and yet Europeans are not allowed to do so and have to have hate laws over their heads forcing them to shut the fuck up about the influx of Muslim immigrants who are disproportionately prone to raping European women rather than European men. Why did the Jews for example push multiculturalism in Sweden and then ditch out and leave when it got too hectic for them because they couldn’t live with what they are telling largely Christian Europeans to live with?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jl-OJJVAEg

    I should think restricting immigration would be something Jews should be FOR since many Muslim savages who immigrate hate Jews AND the non Jewish host nations. See here.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwUrolahPqE

    I guess it’s the rabbis that are having problems with Muslim immigrants. The communist Jews who live in the good neighbourhoods don’t have to deal with the Muslim filth that comes in. But when it gets rough, then they leave.

    This is why people are getting pissed off at Jews. Their chutzpah and their double standards. If they want anti semitism to decrease, they need to alter their behavior and start respecting their host nations and culture and stop doing what they can to promote liberalism and open borders while claiming Israel does not have to do so. Talking out of both sides of your mouth will piss people off. When they get mad, analyze your behavior. Look in the mirror and ask if there is anything you need to change in what you say or what you do. Don’t say, “It’s because I’m Jewish that you hate me isn’t it?” If you make it about your religion/culture, you will mistakenly cause others to think that this parasitic behavior is part of your culture by necessity.

    3. There are many revisionists about the gas chambers who do not hate Jews. Some do not even think the Rothschilds and other Jews control banking or the media. Some blame the British and the Vatican for controlling the world and using the Jews as frontmen and there is actually some validity to that.

    4. I think logically it is possible to be a revisonist and not deny the holocaust. Ernst Zundel AFFIRMED the holocaust and claimed it happened. Did you know that? He said 70 million died from world war two (approximately). He said the second world war was a holocaust for everyone involved. For the Jews, the Japense, the Germans, the French, the English, the Russians, etc.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSuonGoU8E&NR=1
    Start at 7 minute mark.

    • Andrew E. Mathis says:

      1. I’m not sure any of what you say disproves that Zündel was/is a liar.

      2. You write, “Unfortunately in some cases anti semitism is earned by certain Jewish behavior.” Any person who becomes an anti-Semite because of what some Jewish people do is a jackass, to the same extent that any person who hates black people because of what some black people do, white people because of what people do, etc.

      3. You are a whooping loon.

      4. That isn’t the Holocaust that the rest of the world refers to. Zündel has many rights, but defining the terms unilaterally isn’t one of them.

      • 1. Since you are not forthcoming with proof of him lying, especially given his admission that tens of millions died, I am going to go out on a limb and assume you are talking about this pathetic video.

        Ernst Zundel caught lying again
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRGhIowG9g

        Michael Hoffman had this to say about it.

        “In seeking to ingratiate himself with the higher ups, Mike Wallace cut a deal with the Anti Defamation League to definitively smear revisionists on Sixty Minutes. The ADL admitted that: “The League worked closely with the staff of CBS’s Sixty Minutes in the preparation of a recent segment exposing the fallacies of holocaust denial.”

        Out of a one hundred minute conversation with Mike Wallace, and jewish producer Barry Landau (who was firing question prompts to Wallace off camera), Sixty Minutes chose to use four minutes of Zundel’s remarks, mostly centered around Himmler’s Posen speech. Wallace led Zundel to believe he was making a reference to intercepted radio transcripts of the speech but immediatly after Ernst made a comment about Posen the camera cut to a scene of original German documents in a Washington archives, as if to show that Zundel didn’t know what he was talking about.

        It was indeed a hatchet job but Zundel did preserve a single ace up his well worn sleeve. Before agreeing to be interviewed he insisted, as a prerequisite of his appearance that he be allowed to have the complete interview taped by a friend who possessed professional audio equipment. In desperation Sixty Minutes agreed.

        It is a most edifying and entertaining one hundred minutes. Zundel – though always courteous – competely dominates Mike Wallace. He reels off dates, he invokes personalities, he cites reports and when Wallace is particularly scornful or sneering, he jokes with a killer wit which disarms the sanctimony in which acolytes of the holy hoax, attire their glittering generalities and asinine axioms.

        If any extended segment of that interview had been broadcast on Sixty Minutes, Zundel would have made thousands of new allies on the spot. As it was, in the four minutes allotted to him he managed to convey an image of a gentleman and a stalwartly defiant revisionist. So in spite of Barry Landau and the ADL, Zundel made some new friends anyway.”

        Disagree in the form of some deductive or even inducitve argument. Insults will not count as a refutation. Neither will red herrings.

        2. I never said anything to the contrary. In fact I made note a difference between types of Jews. The idiots who push polticians to open immigration floodgates and take off when it gets too hectic for THEM, and other Jews who aren’t political morons and just want to live in peace but still are attacked so much that moderate Muslims have to come to their defense. Again, this is all about the issue in Sweden I was talking about. The late, great conspiracy researcher Christopher Story (who wasn’t without his mistakes and faults) worked at a jewish banking house in the 60’s and upon inquiring whether or not Eichman was at least part Jewish was told, “Don’t you know a Jew’s greatest enemy is another Jew?” Sure seems to be the case in Sweden.

        3. I hope you feel good attacking conspiracy theories that seek to exhonerate Jews and the Rothschilds from world control. Maybe if Jews like you weren’t so cowardly and actually had some guts, you would delve into conspiracy theories about international bankers/old & current bloodlines a little more, grit your teeth when reading the stuff that blames the Rothschilds/Jews, and find and locate the stuff that exhonerates them and blames the British and the Vatican. Or put your ego aside and ask me to recommend some authors. I am always willing to share information/authors that I was given years ago which got me out of the Rothschilds/Jews run everything dead end, but II also do not throw pearls to swine who are not truly interested. The call is yours.

        4. Zundel has rights? Oh really? What kind of a man who has rights protected gets put in solitary confinement on the flimsy claim he is a national security threat, only to be turned over to Germany who serve time in jail for things he said while he was NOT on German soil?

        • Andrew E. Mathis says:

          1. You go from Zündel to Hoffman, a raving lunatic. Classic, Drew. Keep going.

          2. You are an idiot, Drew. You’re laying out a taxonomy of Jews, as if we’re animals. But again, keep going.

          3. I don’t have any guts? I’m out here writing under my own name. Post your own name and we can talk about cowardice.

          4. You know I put him there, right? Not in Germany, but in jail in Canada.

          • 1. Sidestepping the main thrust of the argument and finishing off with an ad hominem. Now who needs a lesson in fallacies?

            2. Refusal to accept that I mean what I say when there are good Jews and bad Jews.

            3a. Refusal to rigidly accept my definition/context of use of the word guts. Guts in relation to jew bashing history that is aside from world war two as contained in largely unheard of history books that again are NOT related to world war two. Maybe you’re just ignorant about those issues I am mentioning in point 3. No scratch that definetly.
            3b.
            After seeing how you guys harrass others that don’t agree with you, including Zundel apparently, I think I will pass.I like freedom of speech. Which apparently you don’t if what you say about your alleged role in getting Zundel locked up has any truth to it.

            4. So you don’t think people should be threatened physically with bodily harm for their views like David Cole or Paul Eisen. You just think they should have their freedom of speech revoked by “law.” Yeah, that’s much better. Also I’m sure you can see what effect your alleged role in getting Zundel locked up has had on revisionism. It has grown on the internet rapidly because people have begun to assume that there much be something to what he is saying if he is being harrassed.

          • Michael Schiffman says:

            Excuse me? Explain. Were it not for people like Mr David Cole and Ernst Zundel, we wouldn’t be even having this “discussion”. You should have been engaging your fine mind in debate with Mr Zundel and not allegdly influencing his deportation., He might have even given you a robe with a star on it, and made you his apprentice.

            Love you David!

          • Michael Schiffman says:

            Andrew E Mathis explain; “You know I put him there, right? Not in Germany, but in jail in Canafa.” You put Mr Zundel into two years of solitary at 111 Disco Rd.? By hand you macho man? What, first you took Pigeon Forge and then you took Ontario? Well, I sentence you to twenty years of boredom for trying to change the system from within.
            You boastful tart you!! I’m blushing. A deportation from the USA was in itself not enoygh to ensure the imprisonment of your superior, Mr Zundel. Quit your posturing regarding putting Mr Zundel into a Canadian prison. It fosters Jewish conspiracy theories.

        • Andrew E. Mathis says:

          Drew,

          The ability to respond is coming to an end here. The most recent threads are not allowing replies.

          When I told you to do a literature search to find out whether Nick Terry and I have been published in peer reviewed journals and by reputable presses and whether Webb and Lisciotto are self-published, I was having you check evidence other than myself and other people at HC.

          If you are unable to understand how that is different from you cited Webb and Lisciotto to prove what Webb and Lisciotto say, then you really are the small, dull child that I think you are.

          I helped to get Zündel arrested because I knew he was a security threat. For the record, I disagree strongly with his being jailed in Germany. If you knew what I know about Zündel, you might agree.

          • “When I told you to do a literature search to find out whether Nick Terry and I have been published in peer reviewed journals and by reputable presses and whether Webb and Lisciotto are self-published, I was having you check evidence other than myself and other people at HC.

            If you are unable to understand how that is different from you cited Webb and Lisciotto to prove what Webb and Lisciotto say, then you really are the small, dull child that I think you are.”

            If you were published in periodicals at high academic levels, tell me the title, volume and issue number. Otherwise I am under no reason to believe you. You would not be citing yourself (circular reasoning) as you falsely claim, you would be citing a journal that has your name in it. I want to see it. So do others. Tell me what it is. You made a claim now prove it. Furnish the evidence. I do not do other people’s homework.

            Second of all, you are still dancing around something and you will not do it anymore I hope. If Webb is such a lousy historian, why does the HC continually use footnotes to his website if he is so piss poor?
            http://holocaustcalamities.blogspot.ca/2013/06/more-research-theft-from-holocaust.html

            While this is written tongue in cheek in the first person and therefore satire, what they say is true. The death-camps.org forgery is a known fact.
            http://hateblogwatch.nazihunter.net/nick_terry.html
            sample:
            “Several of the Wiki Administrators from Germany specifically one in particular “Simplicus” advocated for the removal of the fake hyphenated version and the restoration of the original.

            Next steps…

            So, now we had no links on Wiki to our fake version of ARC, we tried to promote it hard on other sites like the Axis History Forums but became embroiled with other neo-Nazi’s there so that didn’t help much.”

            They are more credible than you simply because they don’t stalk and harrass others like you and your crew. Also they don’t pump out cute and paste manifestos passing the archival research and footnotes of others off as their own.

            Secondly, why don’t you share on this blog what you know or knew about Zundel that felt you had to get him in trouble? Why sit on this so called information for so long if it is irrefutable? Why do you wish to refute what revisionists think about Zundel not being a security theat by not publishing alleged evidence to the contrary. It makes no sense.

            • Andrew E. Mathis says:

              Drew,

              First on Zündel, I’ve talked about this elsewhere, but I’ll share an anecdote. I was told by someone with good reason to know that Zündel told Ingrid Rimland that when a National Socialist government took control in North America, her son, who has an extreme case of cerebral palsy, would have to be euthanized. I don’t expect you will believe me on this point, but it’s true.

              Second, I’m not your librarian. I’m through arguing this point. You can go to Google Scholar or, if you have academic library access, any good academic search engine. I have no reason to lie, especially to you.

              Do you really think Nick Terry would be hired at a British university without a publishing record? Do you know nothing about academia?

              For myself, I left academia some time ago. My last academic publication was in 2006 or thereabouts. You can find it if you try hard enough. My book is also still in print, having been published 12 years ago.

              Yes, I wrote a book, and a real publisher published it.

              The Web is your oyster, boy. Go fetch.

              • I guess I have to look since you won’t bother to. Here is your book.
                http://www.amazon.ca/King-Arthur-Modern-American-Literature/dp/0786411716/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389834647&sr=1-2&keywords=andrew+mathis

                Here is one of your journal contributions
                http://www.getcited.org/pub/103470741

                Here is another one.
                http://holocaust-history.org/gen-semantics/gs.pdf

                We could have saved massive amounts of text if you had simply answered my request the first time. Your point is taken and accepted now finally. I may actually have to pick up your book now for curiosity. As for your holocaust semantics article, some good points especially about being careful about anyone who argues for their point by leaving things out or arguing on only a couple points (very top of page 53 of already mentioned pdf). That is true for any topic. But I would say Shermer is not the most credible. He has violated his own logical standards. On Donahue he said absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. Then when a theologian made this argument in a penn and teller episode about the bible’s story of the red sea, Shermer said that was unacceptable. Plus Mattogno has already eviscerated Shermer. But your article was about semantics and well argued from a semantic, analytic point of view. But in terms of evidence, Mattogno’s responses to Shermer and Zimmerman (the latter still has not replied) seem very well argued.

                • Andrew E. Mathis says:

                  If I’d written the article today, I probably wouldn’t have relied on Shermer & Grobman to the extent I did. Problem is that there is still no good text on denial. Yet.

                • Andrew E. Mathis says:

                  Regarding Lisciotto and Webb, I am not saying that what appear(ed) on the ARC and HEART websites is useless. Far from it. What I am saying is this. Neither of these men are trained historians with any credibility beyond their website. Moreover, while Webb may be a decent writer with the ability to cite sources effectively, Lisciotto is a flat-out crazy person. He runs all those HBW websites out there. Imagine someone that obsessed over a personal feud from almost a decade ago that he devotes his time to setting up fake websites and sock puppet accounts to chime in agreement.

                  It’s frankly a little sad.

  14. I would also like to point out that revisionists as well as holocaust believers are united in their disgust with the poor argumenation, lies, distortions and harrassments of authors and websites by the holocaust controversies blogging team whose members include Sergy Romanov, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Nick Terry (professor at exeter) and Andrew Mathis.

    Holocaust Controversies – A web of deceit! [Part 1]
    http://hateblogwatch.nazihunter.net/The%20HC%20hatred%20of%20ARC%20and%20HEART.htm

    Holocaust Revisionism and Controversial Hate Blogs (part 2)
    ARC Editorial
    http://deathcamps.org/editorial2013%20Part%202.html
    “It is always nice not to be regarded as common fools, and for this we must thank Carlo Mattogno, the Holocaust Denier for recognising it, in his latest work.”

    Andrew Mathis stalks Fred Leuchter
    http://www.angelfire.com/fl4/fci/andysjew.html

    Andrew mathis demolished in debate
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?p=28011#p1574

    Holo. Controversies Debunked
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8145

    Mathis and his cronies are such a joke that even those from HEART and ARC have recommended some revisinoist literature that pokes holes in the research of the entire Holocaust Controversies team. You will see what I mean when one reads all these links.

    • Andrew E. Mathis says:

      Oh dear. HateBlogWatch! Mercy me!

      HBW is a series of blogs run by Carmelo Lisciotto. Lisciotto is one of two people behind the HEART and ARC websites, the other being Chris Webb.

      While I’m no longer associated with the HC blog, here are a few things you should know:

      (1) Of the people associated with HC, who number six including myself, three have Ph.D.s (one in history, one in sociology, and one in English [me]), one is currently pursuing a Ph.D. in history, and one has a postgraduate degree in law. Three of us hold academic rank. What qualifications as scholars do Lisciotto and Webb hold?

      (2) Myself and particularly Dr. Terry have both been published and widely cited in the academic literature. Webb and Lisciotto’s work is entirely self-published. If you doubt this, then do a literature search.

      (3) Four of the six of us either currently sit or have sit on the board of the Holocaust History Project (THHP). THHP assisted in the defense in Irving v. Penguin, Lipstadt, et al. The Mazal Library, with which THHP has been associated since its founding, is currently housed at Texas A&M University.

      I think the above makes it fair to say that not only are our qualifications to do what we do superior to Webb and Lisciotto’s, but moreover, we have greater respect in the academic and legal communities for having done so. Mr. Lisciotto can deny that and spam the Internet as much as he likes to try to change that, but unless and until a university press or peer-reviewed journal is willing to publish his “work,” he can blather on as much as he likes. Someone with an ax to grind to the extent that he does clearly has deep emotional issues.

      Regarding hatred of us by Holocaust deniers and other self-styled “revisionists,” I think I can speak for the six of us in saying (quoting FDR): They are unanimous in their hate for me, and I welcome their hatred. That Lisciotto would seek common purpose with you people for ANYTHING is a testament to the sick kind of person he is.

      Any person seeking the truth of the matter should read here:

      http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/10/on-demise-of-deathcampsorg-how-fakes.html

      One more thing: Of the six people associated with HC, I’m the only one who’s Jewish.

      • PhD or no PhD, it’s irrelevant to the criminal behavior you and the rest of the HC crew have engaged in according to Chris Webb.
        http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/trebmuenzberger.html
        http://www.deathcamps.org/sergeyandnick.html

        You guys are so hated for the scams you tried to pull that this warning was also issued. Stop hyperlinking to their site.
        http://www.deathcamps.org/contact/contact.html
        That doesn’t stop you clowns in HC from doing it anyway.
        http://holocaustcalamities.blogspot.ca/2013/06/more-research-theft-from-holocaust.html

        You guys are hated and for good reason. And now thanks to all the links I have put up from revisionist sites AND non revisionist sites, more are going to wake up.

        • Andrew E. Mathis says:

          Drew, you are more proof that Jew-hating Holocaust deniers like yourself don’t care about evidence.

          • Me:
            “Some do not even think the Rothschilds and other Jews control banking or the media. Some blame the British and the Vatican for controlling the world and using the Jews as frontmen and there is actually some validity to that.”

            you:
            You are a whooping loon.

            Me:
            I am always willing to share information/authors that I was given years ago which got me out of the Rothschilds/Jews run everything dead end, but I also do not throw pearls to swine who are not truly interested. The call is yours.

            you:
            Jew-hating Holocaust deniers like yourself

            Okay, so you’re not interested in really exposing whose running the world and making jews take the blame? You don’t want to put aside your ego and politely ask me for some authors/books I know/possess/read disproving all the “Zionists/Jews/Rothschilds run it all” nonsense out there? You really don’t want to expose bad histories of other anti semites out there? Are you sure? You just want to stay in the world war two box? Since I’m a nice guy…Eric Jon Phelps, John Coleman, Barry Chamish. If you want more, just admit you were wrong about me hating all jews and I will gladly give you more. Before you insult me or lie about me, stop and really…really think about what I am offering you and how I am trying to be polite with you and give something back to the Jewish people in terms of real history.

          • David Baker says:

            What “evidence”? Your Holocaust was debunked in a court of law. The most prominent eyewitnesses to your precious Shoah were forced to admit–under oath–that they did not witness the gassing of Jews, as they had claimed. They only repeated what they had heard: Camp Rumors. These were not Fly-By-Night-flim-flam artists like Wilkimirski, these witnesses are known around the world as Holocaust Survivors who have written volumes about their experiences in the Concentration Camps. The ‘Expert’ ( Hilberg) hired by the Prosecution to present his knowledge of this event was questioned about his writings. They were quickly exposed as protracted Atrocity Propaganda, which is just what the Holocaust is. Hilberg could not produce evidence of his vaunted “Hitler Orders” to exterminate Jews. None of these Holocaust Experts or Witnesses will testify again under oath. It would seem once this fairytale is subjected to jurisprudence, and the witness/expert testimony is constrained by Rules of Evidence in a court of law–A ‘luxury’ denied those hapless German Commanders at Nuremberg–it dissolves into a compilation of ludicrous baloney.

        • Andrew E. Mathis says:

          Also, Drew, just to make sure you get this, although I’m fairly sure you won’t:

          Citing Webb and Lisciotto as proof of what Webb and Lisciotto contend is a logical fallacy of the gravest sort. Find a single shred of proof NOT from Webb and Lisciotto of what they allege, and we can talk about it.

    • Andrew E. Mathis says:

      One more thing, Drew: Does that little girl Jonnie “Hannover” Hargis really think that posting a list of links in which I’ve been “demolished” makes a bit of difference when everyone knows that Hargis himself moderates that forum and rigs all the debates? If that man had a single testicle in his sack, he’d debate me on neutral ground, but as he is the most miserable coward in human history, I suppose that’s too much to ask for.

      http://hannoverfromcodoh.blogspot.com/

  15. Greg Gerdes says:

    Andrew “the potty-mouthed jew” Mathis,

    Only a miserable coward, without a single testicle in its sack, utterly lacking in courage, integrity and character, would repeatedly run away, like you cravenly do, from the following challenge:

    $700.00 REWARD

    * * * * *

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM ( http://www.nafcash.com ) will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

    Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

    * * * * *

    What are you waiting for Andjew?

    What are you so afraid of?

  16. Karl Gharst says:

    Dear Gregory:

    Why would anyone try to claim $700 from you when they can just as easily earn the same amount by pimping your mother to 700 Negroes?

    Yours truly,
    Karl

  17. Greg Gerdes says:

    Ha ha ha!!! – Oh that’s a good one “Karl” / Andjew!

    What’s next, you gonna say that my mother wears army boots?

    That’s a classic example of how anyone who is paying attention knows that the holohoax myth is on its last legs. The simplest of questions are met with craven evasiveness and childish attempts at insult from liars, cowards and frauds like Andrew “the potty-mouthed jew” Mathis – who doesn’t even have the courage, integrity or character to try and insult me while using his own name. Come now Andjew, everyone is waiting for your answers.

    $700.00 REWARD

    * * * * *

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM

    ( http://www.nafcash.com )

    will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

    Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

    * * * * *

    What are you waiting for Andjew?

    What are you so afraid of?

  18. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    All, the comments made by Andrew E. Mathis, need to be taken with a grain of salt.

    He is an infamous Holocaust hate blogger as exposed in these links>

    http://andrewmathiswatch.blogspot.de/
    http://www.nazihuner.net

    Andrew Mathis has stalked and threatened people all over the Internet, even once threatening to beat up a 70 year old woman.

    Don’t be deceived by Andrew Mathis!

    • Andrew E. Mathis says:

      Oh look. Carmelo’s here. What fun.

      I made my point about him and Webb. Have fun, y’all.

      Greg, I don’t know who Karl is, but I do think you need to have your head examined also.

  19. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    LOL look at andy the weasel attacking some Holocaust historian that has absolutely nothing to do with him or his silly hate blogs.
    Andy how do you reconcile threatening to beat up 70 year old women?

    You still sending death threats to the HEART historian Mr. Lisciotto? I have see the email threats and heard the audio recording of you threatening him on the phone.

    who would take a CRIMINAL LIKE YOU seriously? Academic, YOU? Really? A criminal? Wow…. Academia certainly has gone down hill when they allow criminal scum like you to poison it.

    • Bill Berenson says:

      No one with any knowledge of the Holocaust would take Dr. Nicholas Terry or the Holocaust Controversies lot seriously on any historical matter.

  20. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    Readers will note that this fellow Andrew Mathis was challenged to a public debate via a global teleconference to answer for the crimes he denies doing.

    One would think that he, and the Fat pig of Exeter Dr. Nick Terry, would want to clear their names, yet instead they avoid even discussing that challenge in favor of mudslinging on blogs like this one.

    YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY ANDREW E. MATHIS!

    • Bill Berenson says:

      It is a well known fact that the Holocaust Controversies blog is in fact a designated hate blog and its proprietors are also known to have engaged in criminal activity.

  21. Greg Gerdes says:

    Andjew: “Greg, I don’t know who Karl is”

    Says the potty-mouthed jew who lacks the courage, integrity and character to accept the following simple challenge:

    $700.00 REWARD

    * * * * *

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM

    ( http://www.nafcash.com )

    will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

    Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

    * * * * *

    What are you waiting for Andjew?

    What are you so afraid of?

  22. Andrew E. Mathis says:

    Two points:

    (1) I’m the only person here, besides David Cole, posting under my own name, which says a lot, I think.

    (2) Carmelo, for doing what you’re doing, cooperating with deniers and helping to fuel their hatred, you might as well have joined the Einsatzgruppen. Any good you might have once done for the cause of Holocaust remembrance has been totally undone. You’re actually worse than the deniers are now. I hope you know that.

    Now, I’m really done.

    • Andrew E. Mathis says:

      Oh, sorry, and Greg Gerdes is posting under his own name too. But as the only denier ever banned from CODOH, I suppose that’s his luxury.

    • Michael Schiffman says:

      “I’m the only person here, besides David Cole, posting under my own name, which says a lot, I think.”
      Ok…now the three of us can conspire in hushed tones. Pssssst, Andy. To what extent do you influence the Canadian Justice System? Provincial and Federal branches as well? Impressive! Connections in ‘high’ places?
      Imagine the headline – “A pissed off American Jew can put you in a Canadian prison” – I say that because of your
      alleged cross-border superpowers!! Do you come with Kung-Fu grip!? A story about a pissed-off Jew deporting a Canadian into prison might fly on Southpark. Be real. You’re nurturing conspiracy theory. STOP IT!

  23. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    Andrew Mathis, I am posting under my real name and your two points are only more lies to cover your notorious criminal past. You are opening touting your own name in a sick and twisted attempt to convince people that your level of boldness should be associated with innocence.

    Quite contrarily, your arrogance only confirms your lies and those of the Holocaust Controversies hate blog YOU FOUNDED.

    The blog that created, and planted fake Holocaust documents and photos on someone else’s website, then tried to steal that website. When you failed to steal that website your hate blog went on a decade long smear campaign against these two Historians Webb and Lisciotto that you continually mention, both of whom have nothing to do you with or you online internet hate.

    As far as calling all of your detractors by the name Carmelo, you are only displaying your mental depravity and desire to make a bogey man and patsy to deflect from your ACTUAL CRIMES!

    Why don’t you accept that ARC challenge and clear your name instead of posting more bullshit here?

    Or is it that you don’t want the world to see your emails and hear YOUR ACTUAL VOICE threating holocaust historians?

    Einsatzgruppen my ass, you are the criminal and YOU are exposed for it. Welcome to another day of the rest of your life.

  24. Greg Gerdes says:

    Andjew: “Now, I’m really done.”

    So the potty-mouthed jew gets effortlessly slapped around, then tucks tail and runs away like an egg-sucking dog – AGAIN!

    Run Andjew – RUN!!! – ha ha ha!!!

    Oh wait! Andjew, you forgot one little thing here – you know, that simple little challenge that you keep cravenly running away from:

    $700.00 REWARD

    * * * * *

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM

    ( http://www.nafcash.com )

    will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

    Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

    * * * * *

    What are you waiting for Andjew?

    What are you so afraid of?

  25. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    One would think these silly Holocaust hate bloggers, Andrew Mathis, Nick Terry, Sergey Romanov, and Roberto Muehlenkamp would simply have issued an apology and ceased attacking Holocaust historians, yet when you go to their hate blog you find smear and slander posts about two well respected Holocaust Websites and the innocent individuals who run them.

    But no, Andy would rather still attack them, and then cry pity, claiming that anyone who exposes him is anti-Semitic, or evil.

    I bet a simply apology would have gone a long way towards peace and happiness but these hateful people are far to arrogant to consider any such thing.

    There are people on the internet, folks like the team who runs the Hate Blog Watch group who are unwilling to allow rabid hate mongers like Andrew E. Mathis, Nick Terry of Exeter University, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Sergey Romanov and Michael Peters of Alfstedt, Germany to attack real Holocaust historians and websites.

    Those groups have vowed to expose the HC criminals forever! Until such time as they cease and desist in their slander and lies. Which revisionists are also using against the HC criminals.

    False pride gets you know\ where Andy.

  26. Greg Gerdes says:

    FYI – Chris Webb and Carmelo Lisciotto are every bit the liars, cowards and frauds that Andrew Mathis, Nick Terry, Roberto Muehlenkamp, Sergey Romanov and Michael Peters are. They too pretend to be historians, yet lack the courage, integrity and character to answer the following simple questions

    $700.00 REWARD

    * * * * *

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    Introductory note: The National Association of Forensic Historians TM

    ( http://www.nafcash.com )

    will remit a – $700.00 reward – to the first person who discovers the elusive answers to these

    Seven Very Simple Investigatory Questions

    About Four Suspiciously Vague Archaeological Investigations

    (Legitimate scientists do not fear answering pertinent questions about their claimed discoveries.)

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    # 2 – At Belzec, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date – no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 3 – At Chelmno, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 4 – At Sobibor, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 5 – At Treblinka, it is known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – that, to date, no less than __?__ extant graves have been discovered in which legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators have – via bona fide, verifiably honest and properly documented forensic science – literally / truly – physically unearthed / tangibly located – actual, verifiable, scientifically proven human remains.

    # 6 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were actual trash and/or trash burning pits and/or latrine pits / trenches and/or water wells that were dug / used as such by the Germans – during their time of occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    # 7 – Is it true or false that, in at least one of these four archaeological sites – there were numerous exploratory excavations dug by so-called “robbery diggers / treasure seekers,” and/or by Soviet / Polish investigators – after the time of German occupation? – TRUE. – or – FALSE. __?__

    Visit – http://www.nafcash.com – for details on how to lay claim to the reward.

    * * * * *

    What are they waiting for?

    What are they so afraid of?

  27. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    Well if you can show some criminal activity that the Holocaust historians Webb and Lisciotto have partaken in by all means display it. Its clear you deniers are against them because they publish online educational material about the Holocaust and you dispute the existence of the Holocaust. But that hardly make them liars anymore than your beliefs make you a liar.

    Andrew E. Mathis, Nick Terry of Exeter Univeristy, Roberto Muehlenkmap, Sergey Romanov, and Michael Peters… those trolls and hate mongers who choose to spend their days in endless debates with you Greg, are however, real liars.

    They have engaged in forgeries, threats, lies, malware attacks, they actually helped manufacture and supported a counterfeit version of Mr Webb’s, website and tried to avoid prosecution by moving it around the world, until Google, Bing, Yahoo, and Wikipedia blocked access to their fraudulent site.

    I understand why you attack Webb and Lisciotto because you believe what you do and they believe the Holocuast happened.

    But they are not criminals, whereas the Holocaust Controversies bunch are!

  28. Greg with all due respect, do you have to keep posting the same thing over and over again flooding this thread? Couldn’t you just say something like, oh I don’t know, “why do you fear or continually ignore those 7 questions?”

    Second of all I find it hard to believe that Serey would post under his real name as he claims and then post something like this.

    SERGEY ROMANOV says:
    January 15, 2014 at 9:16 pm
    “One would think these silly Holocaust hate bloggers, Andrew Mathis, Nick Terry, Sergey Romanov, and Roberto Muehlenkamp would simply have issued an apology and ceased attacking Holocaust historians, yet when you go to their hate blog you find smear and slander posts about two well respected Holocaust Websites and the innocent individuals who run them.”

    I doubt Sergey would insult himself like that. Someone is clearly using his name as a joke. I do find it to be immature and I think these tactics need not be resorted to.

    Whoever you are, Seregy #2, you don’t need to post under an obviously fake name that is really not yours since you would not insult yourself as I just showed with the above quote. Stick to the facts like I have. Post links to back yourself up. Don’t engage in these immature tactics.

  29. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    The links are all there in this thread, Greg actually posted quite a few of them himself. No one wants to be threatened or harmed by Andrew Mathis,
    The facts are this:

    Why doens Mathis clear his name? there is an open challenge for him to do so publicly. Not these debate challenges that Greg keeps issuing, rather a real opportunity to PUBLICLY review and refute evidence of all the statements made about the Holocaust Controversies criminal gang.

    They can choose to accept this? Could they not?

    They don’t yet keep attacking innocent Holocaust historians who have nothing to do with them. That cannot stand and will not stand unchallenged.

    Mathis won’t accept the challenge put for the because he, and Nick Terry don’t want to be confronted with it publicly, live, and in front of others.

    They could have backed off their smear attacks on HEART and ARC years ago, but to this day those smears still exist on their hate blog Holocaust Controversies.

    Hence groups like Hate Blog Watch have vowed to expose them and out them in return.

  30. Greg Gerdes says:

    The liar who falsely claims that he’s the real liar SERGEY ROMANOV: “I understand why you attack Webb and Lisciotto because you believe what you do and they believe the Holocuast happened.”

    That is a lie “SERGEY.” It is a fact that both Chris Webb and Carmelo Lisciotto are pathetic liars who lack the courage, integrity and character to answer the seven simple questions that have been asked here, as well as cravenly refusing to accept The National Association of Forensic Historians – $70,000.00 – CRIME SCENE INVESTIGATION CHALLENGE TM ( http://nafcash.com/ )

    What are they waiting for “SERGEY”?

    What are they so afraid of?

  31. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    Well Greg, you need to take that challenge up with Mr Lisciotto and Mr Webb

  32. Greg Gerdes says:

    Says the liar who falsely claims to be the real liar SERGEY ROMANOV

    Hey liar, let me ask you one simple question:

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

  33. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    I would defer you to folks with better expertise on that Greg, perhaps contacting historians Webb and Lisciottot and posing your question to them. I don’t know the men personally, only know their good work.
    I believe their websites have contact addresses, you might try reaching out to them there.

    I am not claiming to be Sergey Romanov, I am using his name as a parody, and to shed light on the humor that surrounds the approach and demeanor of Andy Mathis in this thread.

    Mathis tries to come off as the good guy in his fights with you, when in fact he is a dirty scoundrel and crook. You are just a Holocaust Denier and that’s not illegal in the USA, where I assume you reside.

  34. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    Correction to my last post, I did make a claim that I was posting under my real name and that was inaccurate. My name is not really Sergey Romanov, I made the claim out of fear of retribution and my own safety on the Intenet, largely due to evidence I have seen of the horrible things that Andrew E. Mathis has done and threatened to do to others.

    I used Sergey’s name because he is even worse that Andrew Mathis when it comes to threats, etc. Romanov is the mastermind behind the Holocaust fakes and forgery scandal that the Holocaust Controversies hate blog team, of which Mathis was a founding member, perpetrated.

    • Bill Berenson says:

      You are wise to use one of the hate bloggers own names to prevent their cyber attack and misuse of your own personal information.

      Its unfortunate that one has to take such precautions but Mr. Mathis is known for violence and threatening behavior.

  35. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    All that aside, the most loathsome of these Holocaust Controversies bunch is Dr. Nick Terry of Exeter University.

    He has had involvement, been party to, privy to, and supported all of the criminal activity pepetraed by Holocaust Controversies, although he has been careful to keep some distance to avoid culpability. however not careful enough.

    The Hate Blog Watch group has compiled a full file of evidence proving the linkage to, and knowledge of these crimes, by Nick Terry, and his unwillingness to prevent them from happening.

    This fact does not reflect well on Academia nor on Exeter University and its hiring practices.
    Hiring lecturers of low moral standing and no values does them a great disservice.

    http://bewarreofnickterry.blogspot.com is one revealing blog about his infamous professor of hate that good old Andy the weasel loves to support.

    • Bill Berenson says:

      Dr Nicholas Terry is well known in the United Kingdom to be a virulent hate blogger and controversial figure on the Internet and suspect in academic circles of plagiarism.

  36. Greg Gerdes says:

    The liar who cravenly uses SERGEY ROMANOV’s name because he lacks the courage, integrity and character to use his own: “Mathis tries to come off as the good guy in his fights with you, when in fact he is a dirty scoundrel and crook.”

    You’re just as much a dirty scoundrel as Mathis, as are Chris Webb and Carmelo Lisciotto. The whole lot of you are a bunch of lying cowards who lack the courage, integrity and character to answer this one simple question:

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    * * * * *

    What are you all waiting for?

    What are you all so afraid of?

    .

  37. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    ok if you say so Greg, by all means believe what you wish. Have a great day. I will focus my time on dealing with REAL criminals like Andrew E. Mathis, Sergey Romanov, Nick Terry, Roberto MUehlenkamp and Michael Peters..

  38. Greg Gerdes says:

    And yet another liar / coward / fraud tucks tail and runs away rather than answer a simple question that it knows the answer to.

    Good bye liar. Say hi to the craven frauds Webb and Lisciotto for me, will you?

  39. SERGEY ROMANOV says:

    I don’t know them Greg, why don’t you reach out to them yourself, they might enjoy hearing from you.

    Probably as much as the HC criminals enjoy hearing from the Hate Blog Watch group.

  40. Greg Gerdes says:

    Says the lying coward who has even less courage, integrity and character than Andrew Mathis, Sergey Romanov, Nick Terry, Roberto Muehlenkamp and Michael Peters; and who is such a sniveling coward it cravenly refuses to answer the following simple question:

    Forensic Experts Are Skeptical About Alleged “Scientifically Proven” Graves At Four Disingenuously Operated WW II Era Archaeology Sites

    # 1 – Is it known – WITH 100 % CERTAINTY – via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology / forensic science that, at – Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka – there are extant graves in which actual human remains have literally been – physically unearthed / tangibly located – by legitimate archaeologists / crime scene investigators? – Yes. – or – No. __?__

    * * * * *

    What are you waiting for coward?

    What are you so afraid of?

  41. Haarp says:

    Dave, I look forward to reading the book. There is more interest than ever into the investigation of the conspiracy to kill all the Jews claim. The lack of verifiable evidence is taking its toll on the claim.

  42. Dov Hikind has no credibility.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Hikind

    Views on a criminal incident
    Hikind voiced support for five Jewish teenagers who were charged with hate crimes for allegedly beating a Muslim man while shouting racial slurs at him. Hikind insisted that it was actually the victim who provoked the teenagers.[17] The Muslim community later organized an event that emphasized unity, and invited Hikind to the gathering.[17]
    _____________________________________

    Federal investigation

    Hikind was charged by federal authorities after multiple Jewish organizations were charged with embezzling hundreds of thousands of dollars in government funds which were supposed to be used for children’s services.[19] Some of this money, investigators maintained, was used to pay for Hikind’s personal expenses. According to documents, the organizations’ funds were diverted to pay for Hikind’s trip to Israel, and the school tuition for his daughter and niece.[19] The United States Attorney in Brooklyn charged Hikind and several other defendants with various felonies and misdemeanors in connection with the investigation, but Hikind was subsequently acquitted of all charges by a jury.[20]

    17. “Jewish-Muslim Incident Rocks Ethnic Balance” By Nathaniel Popper Published November 10, 2006
    http://forward.com/articles/8388/jewish-muslim-incident-rocks-ethnic-balance/

    18. Siemaszko, Corky. “American Express says Holocaust denier David Irving’s no ‘merchant’, thanks to Assemblyman Hikind”. New York Daily News. October 21, 2009; retrieved 2009-11-24.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/american-express-holocaust-denier-david-irving-merchant-thanks-assemblyman-hikind-article-1.385657

    19. Jump up to: a b Fried, Joseph P. (1997-08-05). “U.S. Attorney Is Considering Indictment Of Dov Hikind”. The New York Times. Retrieved 2010-05-01.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/05/nyregion/us-attorney-is-considering-indictment-of-dov-hikind.html

    “Jury Acquits Assemblyman Hikind of Corruption Charges”
    By JOSEPH P. FRIED
    Published: July 14, 1998
    http://www.nytimes.com/1998/07/14/nyregion/jury-acquits-assemblyman-hikind-of-corruption-charges.html

    Also,
    Dov Hikind: Jewish Racist Advocates Religious Holy War, Building Third Temple
    by Richard Silverstein on November 18, 2009
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/11/18/dov-hikind-jewish-racist-advocates-religious-holy-war-building-third-temple/
    Notice a few posted comments on that page.
    _______________________________________________________________

    Mary November 19, 2009 at 6:13 AM

    I remember this guy from 2 years ago. He was instrumental in the forced closing of the Khalil Gibran Charter School in New York City, if I remember correctly, because it was a school teaching the Arabic language to its students. He claimed teaching Arabic would help to teach the students how to be terrorists. In fact, the school was not Islamic at all and the principal of the school was Jewish. She was forced to resign over the controversy.

    http://urbaninfidel.blogspot.com/2007/08/pro-madrassa-rally-for-khalil-gibran.html

    Reply

    Shirin November 20, 2009 at 8:56 PM

    Debbie Al Muntaser, the founder, and first principal of the Khalil Gibran school is not Jewish. She is a Muslim of Yemeni descent. She was forced to resign from the school she conceived and created, and was replaced by a Jewish woman of European, not Arab descent, who had no knowledge of Arabic or Arab culture. This added insult to injury, not because the new principal was Jewish per se, but because the school was founded as a place for learning Arabic language and culture, and the woman who replaced her was a European who was ignorant of both. Had they replaced her with an Arab Jew with a knowledge of and appreciation for Arabic language and culture it would still have been an outrage, but at least it would have been someone competent to fulfill the mission of the school.

    Reply
    Shirin November 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM

    PS It is true the school was not Islamic at all. It is also true that Khalil Gibran, for whom the school was named, was a Lebanese from a Christian family.

    Reply

    Mary November 21, 2009 at 4:27 AM

    Thank you for the clarifications. I was astonished at the size of the furor Hikind created over the school. It is hard to see where this guy is more of a threat to Arab Muslims – in the US or in Israel. Obviously, if Huckabee were ever to become president (which I doubt would ever happen), US policy towards Palestinians would go from bad to worse.
    ____________________________________________________

    Furthermore, there is a jewish website documenting the tragedy of rabbinic child abuse. It seems Hikind was accused once again of embezzling money.
    October 20, 2013
    Dov Hikind’s Nearly $1 Million Grant To Fund Haredi Child Sex Abuse Education Appears To Have Largely Been Squandered
    http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/10/dov-hikinds-nearly-1-million-grant-to-fund-haredi-child-sex-abuse-education-appears-to-have-largely-789.html

    So we have to ask ourselves, is he really acting in the interests of the children or is he a gopher for accused rabbis and acting in a roundabout way to keep funding away from projects that truly would help victimized children? Or is he acting in a roundabout way to keep rabbis from being brought to justice? He is such a goon that he attacked a supposedly anti semitic cartoon back in 2009.
    http://matzav.com/hikind-blasts-ny-daily-news-for-publishing-anti-semitic-cartoon

    It was making fun of the new Jersey rabbis involved in trafficing in human organs.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/2009/07/25/rabbi-caught-in-new-jersey-corruption-sting-called-himself-kidney-matchmaker/

    See what someone posted at matzav.com in the comments section.
    _________________________________________________________________
    5. Comment from Dovid
    Time July 29, 2009 at 1:15 PM

    I´m a child of Holocaust survivors and think mr Hikind should look at real anti-semitism and jews missbehaving and not scream “anti-semitism” as soon as somebody is joking with jews. What has mr Hikind said fpr example about resent evnts in NJ?
    _________________________________________________________________

    Says it all doesn’t it folks?

  43. Michael Peter says:

    Yes, everything written above about Andrew Mathis is true.

    He is a bad guy!

    andrewmathiswatch.blogspot.com

  44. Berkeley says:

    Here we go, ’round again…

    Thank God for the Scientific Revolution. Now even the man in the street, when he’s shaken out of his coma, wants EVIDENCE.

  45. paschn says:

    This pretty much ended any doubts I had about those “poor” victims of the hallow’dcaust;

    http://trutube.tv/video/1761/Six-MIllion-My-Ass

    You may choose one set of six million and deify it if you wish. Russia lost 60,000,000, Ukraine lost 7,000,000, Danzig 60,000 millions more through out Eastern Europe, all victims of Lenin/Stalin and their Bolshevik Jew masters. Where, pray tell is the “victimhood” for all those millions??

  46. Joe Rizoli says:

    Wow, looking at the response from this Mathais guy proves why some people dislike Jews. What a bozo.
    Great to see the scholarly revisionist hold a measure of respect and composure and produce FACTS as compared to Mr dreamer and fiction man Mathias. Anybody that takes a loathing pleasure at always trying to prove 6 million of your nationality were killed even though the evidence is flimsy, yet takes pleasure at the thought of so many deaths like it is a drug high, needs their head examined.

    Mr Mathais I leave my real name. I also take pleasure from being mentined along with my brother by being on the Jewish ADL’s hate list and the SPLC hate watch. As long as loonies like you exist you make our lives worth living exposing people like you. When the Bible talks about the Jews being a “by-word” among the nations, you make that happen.

    Joe Rizoli

    • David Baker says:

      Mr. Mathis borrows a lot of the Delphi Method from his hero, Saul Alinsky. What this method entails is the redirecting of a debate about any subject liberals/Jews engage in toward an exchange of ad hominem, vulgarity, legal threats (Or, in the case of Mathis, Educational ‘superiority’….along with a contrived list of names and organizations he posts, ostensibly people and organizations with authority to apply recourse against his opponents who do not respond predictably to his methods, or question his ‘superiority’. ) and other diversionary tactics. I must point out that there is no mention of Andrew E. Mathis in the New York University Webpage. One would think Dr. Mathis, who occupies such an exalted position among the Jewish community as a vanguard of their precious “Holocaust”, would be prominently featured among their roster of exceptional graduates.

  47. Joe Rizoli says:

    Sorry, I spelled Andrews last name wrong. It is Andrew E. Mathis. Working off a tablet is not good on the eyes.

    Hey how come nobody’s answering those 7 questions?

    Lastly:

    Andrew E. Mathis, do you have any pictures of dead gassed bodies at Auschwitz? Or ANY dead bodies?
    Please show links.

    Joe

    • David Baker says:

      Joe, be assured ANY dead body pictures offered by polemic narcissists like Mathis will be classified as Jews from the “Holocaust”. The description of the scene will contain phrases such as “bodies stacked like cordwood” to emphasize the suffering of Jews in those “Death Camps”. I had to laugh when I read the passage about “Geysers of Blood” squirting from a Mass Gravesite, witnessed by one of their ‘survivors’. These people really have a flair for grossly exaggerating everything…including their casualty lists.

  48. David Baker says:

    As I’ve told these Holocaust ‘experts’ many times: The entire Jewish Holocaust consists of nothing more than a visceral, histrionic reaction by Jews toward any attempt to verify it.

  49. David Baker says:

    The Holocaust has it’s roots in the Doctrine known as Zionism. Herzl understood the nature of gentile populations to eventually reject Jews, and that an established Jewish Homeland would be the solution to the tribe’s nomadic existence. The process of developing and implementing this doctrine involved much international cooperation, including the nation of England being designated as an ally to “Israel”. Though the original doctrine specified Madagascar as a preferred site, Talmudic Jews stressed the nation of Palestine was where their tribe should “Return” to.

    Once England became sovereign over Palestine as part of the Versailles Treaty, the Zionist effort switched to convincing European Jews to populate their new Homeland. At that time, Jews in Europe were quite assimilated. They were represented among many professions, and operated established businesses within several European cities. They weren’t enamored of the prospect of pulling up stakes and emigrating to the hostile environment which Palestine had become. This was the concern of Zionists: They couldn’t generate enough zeal for their “Israelites” to leave their comfortable existence.

    Hence, there had to be a means to force these Jews out of their homes and businesses. As we are able to discern, Zionists were successful in that regard.

  50. David Baker says:

    Long before Mr. Mathis graduated from college, the Zundel “False News Trial” was conducted in Canada to try Mr. Zundel for apparently committing a criminal offense under their obscure “False News” statute. His first conviction was overturned, and a second trial was held. During the first trial, Jews had their Golden Opportunity to present the most damning evidence of their Holocaust to judges, defense attorneys, gallery and the media. This was basically a Second Nuremberg, with just a few key witnesses and Holocaust ‘Experts’ considered necessary to convince all concerned that their WWII Atrocity was not a hoax.

    Prior to this trial, Jews had carte blanche to conduct “Show Trials” with no elements of Western Justice to temper their more ‘spirited’ presentations describing the activities of German and Polish Concentration Camp staff. Indeed, these ‘witnesses’ took full advantage of the enormous sympathy and ‘hubris of vindication’ engendered among the gentile populations in light of this Jewish suffering to relate fantastic tales of grotesquery at the hands of the Third Reich. For many years, lawyers defending so-called “Holocaust Revisionists” were fearful of public and Jewish retribution against them, as their hapless clients were mercilessly battered by these ‘victims’ and their sympathizers.

    However, the trial of Ernst Zundel was not a Show Trial, and several elements of jurisprudence would prove to be devastating to the Jewish Holocaust Industry. Once these Jewish ‘victims’ and Holocaust ‘experts’ were held to Western Justice Standards, their fairytale dissolved into a litany of second hand rumors, seasoned with rather obvious sanctimony and tongue-in-cheek ‘memories’ of unsubstantiated events. None of the witnesses and experts will subject themselves to this ‘restriction’ (Rules of Evidence) again, and they will refuse debates, trials or any exposure of their fairytale to learned revisionists or legal challenges.

  51. David Baker says:

    One of the fallacies relating to Jewish history is the assertion by “Anti-Semites” that Jews have been “Kicked out” of every country in which they’ve settled. Jews LEAVE countries after the populations are demoralized, disenfranchised, fiscally and morally bankrupt and politically corrupted. One of the first agendas of Jews in any productive nation they infiltrate is to take over the media of that nation. From that point where they dominate a nation’s media, they have the means to ‘influence’ several sectors, including political sectors. Jews then surreptitiously gather ‘data’ on gentile AND JEWISH politicians or their swelling population of detractors which they can compile to influence voters, advance legislation and publish compelling information for or against these candidates, office holders and their opponents.

    Jews also gain access to a nation’s banking system, with usurious results, charging interest at exorbitant rates to that nation’s borrowers. Vice, pornography, social unrest, derision and attenuation of religious (Not Jewish Religious, though..) influences and traditions, international entanglements, onerous tax increases and increased living costs soon follow.

    There is a very valid reason why our political candidates and office holders head to Jerusalem to Bang Their Heads on the Wailing Wall, despite the Jewish ACLU’s campaign to separate “Church and State. If any of them balk at such obligatory rituals, as they say in Hollywood: “They’ll never work in this town again”…

  52. David Baker says:

    The very first thing you ask one of these Monday Morning Gas Chamber Occupants is “Where you there”? If they state they were not in a Concentration Camp in Germany or Poland during World War Two, then they are in the same boat as the rest of us as we discuss these assertions by “Victims” of the Nazis. Their opinions have no more validity than our own as they pertain to what Jews experienced in Europe during WWII. The ONLY way to hash out the salient data presented by these Holocaust ‘witnesses’ and ‘experts’ is to conduct a trial under Laws of Jurisprudence, in a Court of Law with un-coerced and unbiased defense attorneys, prosecution attorneys, juries and judges. The Zundel “False News Trial” was just such a test of this form of Justice. Otherwise, Jews will continue to embellish and fabricate stories about their precious canard among a sympathetic (and thoroughly indoctrinated…) gentile audience.

  53. Michael Schiffman says:

    Mr Mathis furthers Jewish conspiracy theories in asserting that he “put” Ernst Zundel into a Canadian prison.
    “They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom, for trying to change the system from within.” Cut the cross-border posturing Mathis. You “put” Zundel in a Canadian Prison? He never mentioned your name once to me. So, you “put” Mr Zundel into prison just like Hitler “put” Jews into gas chambers? Be a mensch. Cut the crap Mathis.

  54. Michael Schiffman says:

    Mr Mathis furthers Jewish conspiracy theories in asserting that he “put” Ernst Zundel into a Canadian prison. Cut the cross-border posturing Mathis. You “put” Zundel in a Canadian Prison? He never mentioned your name once to me. So, you “put” Mr Zundel into prison just like Hitler “put” Jews into gas chambers? Be a mensch. Cut the crap Mathis.

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